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Do you think an all-magnet motor (no electrical input) is possible?

Created By: sterlingda
Created Date: 05/30/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Last Voted: 02/08/2010 (11 hours ago)
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Tags: magnet, motor, magnetic, power, electricity, free, energy, renewable, alternative
  Impossible
576 Votes (17%)
  Maybe
801 Votes (24%)
  Quite sure
1,477 Votes (45%)
  Someone I trust says they've built/seen one
174 Votes (5%)
  I've personally built or seen one
274 Votes (8%)
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688 Comments

smartalec44
02/05/2010 (3 days ago)
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smartalec44
02/03/2010 (5 days ago)
I googled German Izmalkov who is an inventor from Zaporozhia,Ukraine.He has a bunch of inventions including a magnetic engine.Is he for real or another scammer? Who knows.See the site:
http://bit.ly/aF8JTt
Excerpts about magnetic engine is as follows:
The offered magnetic engine behaves to the power devices which use energy of permanent magnets for their co-operation with each other. This device is sufficiently simple and technologically in making, at the correct making (forces of permanent magnets operate effectively on small distance) it is possible to get a device which on the billow of power takeoff will give out a large twisting moment at its high revolutions.

guest
02/03/2010 (5 days ago)
Notice also the Chinese characters at the top, which translate as "guest". Could it be that there is some sort of plot between the Russians and Chinese involving free energy, and he is trying to give us a hint about that? Over to you.
smartalec44
02/01/2010 (1 week ago)
What does the capital letters and Russian language website have to do with your ramblings?Are you trying to lead us somewhere with free energy providing some kind of code to deceive the MIB or are you a MIB plant creating nonsense?
来宾
02/01/2010 (1 week ago)

Hello!
In the world an economic collapse comes
to a head much
larger, than modern events. Honour
below about it. And draw conclusions. By
me quite
an invention which I to you is new-made
I set forth below - IT ENORMOUS INVENTOR
FIND - THERE QUITE ARE not MINUSES, ABOVE
WHICH MANY FIGHT ALREADY A LONG AGO
INVENTORS ARE IN THE BESTOPLIVNYKH
POWER DEVICES. I this information
already over the internet sent in very much
advanced NII and corporations. I DO IT,
TO FORESTALL CHINESE: they mature much
plans, how to become economic predominant
powers in
world, now already want it to do to on
bestoplivnym to the power devices,
to put weigh the world on knees. Help and
You to me on these my businesses. Look
this letter and next letters, acquaint with
them
sending and tekhnarey.
It is done by me 302 inventions (greater
part on new energy, filters, pumps, thin
to productive vodoochistke, to gas
to the weapon and cars), you look them
on sites
there is Herman on the keywords of "Izmalkov".
http://sds-max.com.ua/izobr1.html,
geizmalkov@yandex.ru, (38061)224-13-89,
To me invention "Engine with external
admission of heat" does revolution in
dvigatelestroenii.
But all impediment is in tom, that although it
a device is exceptional simple, but to
undertake
for him does not want, because in his
basis lies
making of springs which have very much
a lot of cycles in a minute and on reliable
the capacity of which need
works of researches. You VIDE my invention INFRA
"Electromagnetic machine". IT BESTOPLIVNYY
ENGINE, having a capacity as
bestoplivnyy on everything 100% - HONOUR And
UNDERSTAND.
Practical at all magnetic engines
there is some mental INSTABILITY which
creates from deviation of center of the
masses of the system from the axis of
rotation ot CENTRIFUGAL FORCE and
creates the large lateral loadings on
bearings of billow and these forces create in
bearings large forces of friction, and
mental instability is VIBRATIONS.
Herein to my
Present a "electromagnetic machine"
even temper on everything 100% and permanent
magnets DRIVE up under magnitoprovody
obestochennykh spools of electromagnets
without
consumptions of some extraneous energy. In
MY THIS DEVICE ALL MAGNETIC FORCES HAVE
RESULTING FORCE of ALL OPERATING, SIL
EQUAL to ZERO, And ETA RESULTANT NOT
PARTICIPATES ON THIS REASON IN LATERAL
AFFECTING BEARINGS of BILLOW, WHICH
CAN GIVE LARGE FORCE OF FRICTION AND
DEPRIVE IT
DEVICE OF POSSIBILITY TO ACCOMPLISH USEFUL
WORK,
On фиг.1 the offered is scheme shown
machine, general view; on фиг.2 is a
cut of A-An on фиг.1; on figs.З - in a
megascopic scale
magnets,
Offered electromagnetic machine
consists of corps 1 from unmagnetic
material on which evenly to on
circumferences are hardly set
electromagnets 2 with poles, located
in one stronu parallel the axes of corps
1, with distances between them on a
circumference,
equal to their length on a
circumference. Under
by electromagnets 2 with a minimum gap
can pass permanent magnets 3 with
by poles, located the same as at
electromagnets 2, the amount of which
is the same, as well as at
electromagnets 2, and which
hardly set evenly to on
circumferences with distances between
them to on
circumferences, equal to their length
on a circumference, on an unmagnetic
disk 4 with central
by an output billow 5. Electromagnet 2 executed
from podkovoobraznogo magnitoprovoda 6, on
which a puttee is winded 7 in direction,
at which on the ends of magnitoprovodov 6
magnetic poles are identical to in relation to
to the magnetic poles of magnets 3. On a
disk 4 and on
corps 1 the elements of device are set
it is not shown on a draft) for including
of current in
puttees 7 electromagnets 2 in the moment
of their
position, shown on фиг.2, when
magnets 3 are fully under magnets
2. Offered electromagnetic machine
works due to co-operation of magnets 2
and 3. In position of magnets 2 and 3,
shown on фиг.2, magnets 3 pulled in under
magnitoprovody 6, because they are attracted
to magnitoprovodu 6 and when through a
puttee a current does not go. In it
elements of its including on a disk 4
and corps
1, this current creates on ends
magnitoprovodov б of the same names magnetic
poles with magnets 3 and magnets 3 from
it pushed from under magnets 2 in tu
I stronu, in what they were pulled in to
hits them in position on фиг.2.
Then
the device of including of current is
turned off by a current in
moment of complete output of magnets 3
from under
magnets 2 and these magnets 3 drawn
together already with next magnets 2 and
attracted them
magnitoprovodami 6 to the offensive of it
positions on фиг.2. A machine requires
an acceleration
for overcoming inertia of rest and receipt
inertias for overcoming ravnovesnykh
positions of co-operation of magnets 2 and 3.
A machine works after an acceleration, as
bestoplivnyy engine. Twisting moment
taken off from a billow 5.

LOOK DRAFTS IN ATTACHMENT

THIS REQUEST IS DECLARED IN UKRPATENT
AND ROSPATENT AND
ON HER PRIORITY DATE IS GOT.

With kind regards
German Izmalkov
smartalec44
01/28/2010 (1 week ago)
I came across a marvelous 10 page article on free energy called "The World of Free Energy" by Peter Lindemann, D.Sc. and why and how it is being kept from us.See:
http://bit.ly/de6aSz

guest
01/25/2010 (2 weeks ago)
>Definately a possibility. Have experimented and made it work.

So you're not paying for gasoline or electricity anymore. Good for you. Soon you will be a billionaire (or dead, if you ask smartalec44).
John
01/25/2010 (2 weeks ago)
Definately a possibility. Have experimented and made it work.
smartalec44
01/21/2010 (2 weeks ago)
If you come up with a free energy device, go to the following site:
http://bit.ly/67GNNF
Scroll down the article "Tools:So, You Think You Have Free Energy"
And tell me if people are whistling dixie when they speak about paranoia from the boogie man.
smartalec44
01/21/2010 (2 weeks ago)
>>countries like China or Russia for example would jump to any free energy source without worrying about patents & oil companies, the real issue is that nobody has come up with anything yet.

That being the case ,why do all these inventors seem to vanish from the public without a word of discreditation or hoax being publicized.

The Chinese secret society with 6 million including 1.8 million gangsters & 100,000 professional assassins have targeted the Illuminati 10,000 members ,if Illuminati's world depopulation plans to reduce the Asian population to 500 million by race-specific biological weapons continue.

That being said, the illuminati still control the central banks of Russia,China,India & Venezuela.With this set-up, why would the NWO,Rockefellers's Bilderbergers, or Illuminati want free energy to free the public from the power hungry grasps of these sick people?I read that they buy and sell oil amongst themselves just to raise the price even if they lose a little money in the short term.
guest
01/21/2010 (2 weeks ago)
I don't beleive that anyone has develop a magnet motor yet, the world is very big & I'm sure that countries like China or Russia for example would jump to any free energy source without worrying about patents & oil companies, the real issue is that nobody has come up with anything yet.
guest
01/19/2010 (3 weeks ago)
its not that its possible to make and used to get of the grid question is will these big energy companies let you live to implement these motors in society
smartalec44
01/18/2010 (3 weeks ago)
Since anti-gravity and free energy are inter-related,check out Thomas Valone and Moray B. King in regards to anti-gravity propulsion,electrogravitic technology,vortex propulsion, and pulsed propulsion.

If anyone expects to have their hand held and purchase plans which tell them how to go from A to Z and buy all the parts at Radio Shack, get off your ass, and do some research.If I was scientifically inclined and younger,I would pursue this personally.
smartalec44
01/18/2010 (3 weeks ago)
On the Disclosure Project Briefing Document on :
http://bit.ly/7KARWY
I came across Thesta-Distatica or Swiss ML Testatika which produces energy from atmosphere alone.(World's only true sel-sustaining closed loop free energy machine-So they say)It looks interesting.Check it out on:
http://bit.ly/5CuQuB
smartalec44
01/15/2010 (3 weeks ago)
Read a little bit about Tesla's electric auto and maybe discover free energy.See the following site:
http://bit.ly/4w4DFl
Scroll down and read Tesla’s Self-Powered Automobile,The Moray Radiant Energy Device, and Gabriel Kron and the Negative Resistor.

It was believed on some sites that Tesla used a large antenna located in the general area which directed waves to his auto to make it run.However,the above site describes a self contained over-unity device which enabled the auto to run without any external large antenna by freely shuttling energy in circuits that asymmetrically self-regauged themselves creating overunity systems and therefore self-powering systems.
smartalec44
01/13/2010 (3 weeks ago)
>>If I were being threatened by the MIB, I would just publish the plans anonymously, thus eliminating the threat. Or I would publish them preemptively, before any threats can develop.

Most inventors aren't as altruistic as you.They want the pay day of a patented invention or they won't publish.And the patent office controlled by big oil will not approve free energy devices very readily.

If you look at the history of inventions and discoveries over the last 150 years, the real inventor seems to get screwed out of the riches by the treacherous robber barons.

And with the proliferation of numerous You Tube videos and sites on free energy on the internet the real deals seem to get lost in the shuffle.
guest
01/12/2010 (3 weeks ago)
It would take just one inventor to publish the plans for a free energy device on the Internet, and that knowledge would spread all over the world in a short time, and nobody would have to pay for electricity ever again. Just one inventor, or just one person with access to the plans.

If I were being threatened by the MIB, I would just publish the plans anonymously, thus eliminating the threat. Or I would publish them preemptively, before any threats can develop.
smartalec44
01/12/2010 (3 weeks ago)
>>Just to follow up on that logic, since he tried to bring it forward by posting it on youtube, and since he is not dead (as far as I know), therefore it must not be true.

The tentacles of the secret govt. are finding it more difficult to silence the internet including You Tube sites.When I try to google people who have made diacoveries of free energy devices in the last 5 to 10 years,their paper trail of where they presently are seems to vanish.Is it because they are scams or hoaxes or have their families been threatened if they persisted, how can we find out.

Most of them are not publicized as hoaxes,so what happened to them.If you read through these threads from the beginning you will come up with many names which seem to vanish from public awareness.
guest
01/12/2010 (3 weeks ago)
>If it was true and he tried to bring this forward he would be DEAD.

Just to follow up on that logic, since he tried to bring it forward by posting it on youtube, and since he is not dead (as far as I know), therefore it must not be true.
smartalec44
01/12/2010 (3 weeks ago)
>>Yes I've seen that youtube video that you keep posting links to. Some guy playing around with a water pump is not what I would call evidence for a free energy machine. If it were true he would have a patent and be incredibly rich by now.

If it was true and he tried to bring this forward he would be DEAD.There are so many inventors who wound up dead(Richard Clem). First of all the patent office,refuses most free energy devices.One might get it approved under some other use or category like a toy device.
guest
01/12/2010 (3 weeks ago)
>If a guy can build a water wheel generator that powers a light bulb and powers the water pump that creats the power think what sophisticated units MIT type engineers can come up with after half a century. Get a clue!

Yes I've seen that youtube video that you keep posting links to. Some guy playing around with a water pump is not what I would call evidence for a free energy machine. If it were true he would have a patent and be incredibly rich by now.
smartalec44
01/12/2010 (3 weeks ago)
Has anyone seen these MIT type engineering students from around the world on PBS type program competing once a year with wheeled and legged type robots which combat each other in a soccer type game.After they crown a winner,they agree to share all the technology learned so that everyone can improve on the engineering for the next years competition.

Has anyone wondered why this type of competition doesn't include a free energy theme?

For the simpleton who doesn't believe, get off your ass and spend hours,days, weeks, years googling for the knowledge.Sure, you will have to sift threw the scammers(Magniworks)and governmental dis-information sites and articles but there is real information out there.

The black ops government is scared of all the knowledge springing up on the internet and eventually our open governments will use terrorism to censor and stop this proliferation.
guest seeking
01/12/2010 (3 weeks ago)
If a guy can build a water wheel generator that powers a light bulb and powers the water pump that creats the power think what sophisticated units MIT type engineers can come up with after half a century. Get a clue!
guest
01/12/2010 (3 weeks ago)
>Your telling me that you have read and investigated everthing and still don't have a thread of understanding that free energy is here and being kept from us

If free energy is being kept from us, then how do you know it exists? If it's being kept from us then it's being kept from you too, isn't it. Or do you have some special "inside information"?
smartalec44
01/11/2010 (4 weeks ago)
guest WaP
01/11/2010 (42 minutes ago)
Your telling me that you have read and investigated everthing and still don't have a thread of understanding that free energy is here and being kept from us and I will call you a troll paid by the secret govt. to diseminate disinformation.Nobody could be that stupid.

I am business educated and obviously not scientifically trained but have an open curious mind able to discern cover-up JACK.

If you are scientifically trained you should realize that the best minds of the 20th century have been recruited by our black ops govt. and have made many marvelous discoveries not made public or published in any STINKING trade journals.

Take your science,physics, and chemistry laws of nature and SHOVE THEM.(They are 150 years behind the times)
guest WaP
01/11/2010 (4 weeks ago)
err
Smartalec, I have read all these treads and investigated lots of the key words and others before and ,while i couldnt possibly exclude such device may be a realitty in the future, it seems that it wont happen unless it is in a lab bcz magnets need recharging after a while.....
forget the mib and nwo and governments ,bcz they just exist as long as exists fear....
smartalec44
01/08/2010 (4 weeks ago)
>If a magnetic motor is not possible why is China pulling in the reigns on there export of rare earth material and magnets?

>They supply over 90% of this material to the world. Do they know something about the future of energy production and magnets that we don't know?

You may be correct but China has so much surplus monies from being the manufacturer of the world,that they would rather buy and stock up on raw materials which they will eventually use in the future anticipating the American dollar's value going down the tubes.

The MIB ,NWO, or whatever you name them have their tentacles everywhere and won't permit free energy anywhere including China.
guest seeking
01/07/2010 (4 weeks ago)
If a magnetic motor is not possible why is China pulling in the reigns on there export of rare earth material and magnets?

They supply over 90% of this material to the world. Do they know something about the future of energy production and magnets that we don't know?
smartalec44
01/07/2010 (4 weeks ago)
>Well if it's possible then why hasn't anybody done it? Don't believe it when somebody claims they have built or have plans for a perpetual motion machine, because it's just not true.

The people who have done it are running from the boogie man(MIB).You can't say that if you have read all these threads and investigated certain key words and names that you can say with authority that THERE IS NO STINKIN WAY A PERPECTUAL MOTION MACHINE EXISTS.

Buy your assorted magnets and read up a bit and relax by manipulating an arrangement of magnets that has the MIB knocking on your door.

At the minimum,the magnet suppling companies will be pleased with the business.
guest
01/06/2010 (4 weeks ago)
>And I know from reading this thread that it is possible to create a magnetic perpetual motion machine.

Well if it's possible then why hasn't anybody done it? Don't believe it when somebody claims they have built or have plans for a perpetual motion machine, because it's just not true.
smartalec44
01/06/2010 (4 weeks ago)
Has anyone seen a perpetual motion wooden marble machine which automatically brings the marbles back up to the top to continue the cycle? Or does it eventually create enough friction to slow and stop?

And I know from reading this thread that it is possible to create a magnetic perpetual motion machine.But the trick is to extract surplus energy to light a bulb and continue like that die hard bunny without the permanent magnet losing it's current and eventually stopping.
guest
01/05/2010 (4 weeks ago)
I think I just figured out how to make the thing work --- I'm really excited I can't wait till I can gather up enough money to buy all the materials; but, since I am out of work it may take me some time. I've looked at every single youtube video and non of them are remotely close to what I am thinking; so, there's a good shot I can patent the idea!!!! Wish me luck :)
guest
01/03/2010 (5 weeks ago)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197#

LOL honest mistake this is the one i meant
take some time to learn the truth and comment
take care
convidado
01/03/2010 (5 weeks ago)
ENERGY FOR FREE EXISTS BUT THE PROBLEM IS NOT CIENTISTS BUT POLITICS AND BANKERS

PROOF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhwQt1tJYa8&NR =1&feature=fvwp

BE FREE AND FREE OTHERS BY USING YOUR INTELIGENCE by RESEARCHING .
TAKE CARE
convidado
01/03/2010 (5 weeks ago)
ENERGY FOR FREE WITHOUT MAGNETIC ENGINE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhwQt1tJYa8&NR =1&feature=fvwp

WE DONT NEED MONEY TO BE HAPPY JUST FREE ENERGY......
smartalec44
12/31/2009 (5 weeks ago)
I find the study of how gravity and magnetic current interact as far as the actions of electrons extremely interesting.One could spend a life time studying this.

They say the energy of electrons cannot be created or destroyed but merely transferred from one mode to another.

So,free energy is just transferring the electrons from the vacuum to a device which diverts the electrons to usefully producing electrical free energy without additional energy input.
guest
12/22/2009 (6 weeks ago)
>Where's is that paper hanging,night club ,shoe shining attendant?

They took away his computer privileges at the asylum.
smartalec44
12/21/2009 (7 weeks ago)
Where's is that paper hanging,night club ,shoe shining attendant?Are you a reincarnation of Adolf Hitler?
You don't even know how to spell free energy let alone come up with anything useful for the happiness of the masses.The NWO be dammed.

I tried to read and comprehend Leedskalnin's book called "Magnetic Current". Even though he must be a genius or had Masonic or alien intervention,his fourth grade education makes his drawings of the magnetic properties difficult to comprehend.
xtom1973
12/05/2009 (9 weeks ago)
i want so much to know what ED LEEDSKALNIN had built. beside the whole scammers that want to earn your money its at least the only true thing with magnets i know of.

eddi, what have you left beside your stones temple?
i want so much to know it.
guest
12/02/2009 (9 weeks ago)
>You do use up a lot of space with your random meandering nonsense.I and most others scroll past your dribble with the hope that we will come across some coherent poster with relevant supposition.

is that your way of saying to yourself, that this guy is right, i am dumb and stupid.

of course they will pass it kid, their not stupid enough to argue the truth and the reality. unlike you ofcourse, the very stupid one, have already committed yourself to this discussion and your just basicly trying to survive.

did you really think your parents put you to school just so you can learn abc123 kid, or do you really believe putting your children to school, and dreamed of them becoming a layer one day, just so they can get you out of jail? no kid, your parents put you to school and you put your children to school and you hope for them to reach such high dreams, because it pays the bills better than washing dishes their whole life.

heres more kid. take japan for example (and few other countries like australia), this is on the superior side, the government (superior) are offering to pay the little couple puppets (the low class couples) to have children. what does that say to you kid? ohh thats right you are stupid, you cant get too deep because you wont get it. here, allow me, it means the couples that took this offer had sacrifice to have a child not because they want to but because they were offered to, this is saying that the means of this child from the very begginging was to potentially inslave itself to the rolling economy who are run mostly by the very few wealthy people who wants more low class people to keep working its profit gold.

of course its understandable that you dont see things this way. all this years since you were a kid, all you have ever known and was ever told, was that education is one of the most important thing in life. and here you are kid living that educated life, not knowing, the real reason why.

kid, you are a shit in this world, this world is run by the very few who holds THE MONEY, THE POWER. they are the one who made you think the way you think now.

want some lolly kid?
C.B. Villeneuve
12/02/2009 (9 weeks ago)
Another great source of rare-earth magnets is Lee Valley at http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=2&p=32065&cat=3,42363,42348&a p=1
C.B.Villeneuve.
12/02/2009 (9 weeks ago)
To Guest Seeking: I watched that video you mention, and I watched it again… The problem is: what are we looking at? The video title is “free energy video 12 magnet motor at work” but there are no explanations. That thing on the right could be an electric motor driving that thing on the left, and vice-versa… That is not a valid demonstration of an all-magnet motor.

I also watched the video of the Bedini “motor”. Same thing here, there is not real explanation or demonstration of the magnet arrangement, the fellow’s answer are between nebulous and evasive. We do not get to take a good look at it, we see only from one side; are there wires and batteries under the table? How can we know? Again, that is not a valid demonstration of an all-magnet motor.

If I ever came up with an all-magnet motor, do you think I would waste my time giving demos to a few journalists, or try to sell the blueprints on the Internet? No way! I would have the key to free energy, and that would be worth zillions! Please, nobody give me the red herring that Big Oil would get the patent and make it disappear! There is more money there than they could ever make with fossil fuels. I would get a solid patent on it, have it evaluated by reputable scientists, and go into production. I would have the solution to the world’s energy demands. I would be filthy rich, and internationally famous.

Suppose you have a free moving wheel (rotor) , and you place a magnet on the rim, with the south pole outward. That magnet will be attracted by another fixed magnet (on stator) with the north pole facing towards the wheel. The wheel will turn until the magnets are facing each other, and that’s where it will stop. The wheel will keep on turning only if you can find a way to turn that north pole into a south pole when the wheel magnet has reached a position slightly past the fixed magnet. The same idea is used in a simple DC motor with permanent magnets as stator fields and electro-magnets on the rotor, but there you have to use an outside source of energy to keep the wheel (rotor) moving. At this point, I don’t see how that can be achieved with magnets only.

Any new ideas?
smartalec44
12/02/2009 (9 weeks ago)
guest

12/02/2009 (12 hours ago)
wow kid this is a surprise. now were actually talking. knowledge is power and thats your point right. this is good were connecting

>You do use up a lot of space with your random meandering nonsense.I and most others scroll past your dribble with the hope that we will come across some coherent poster with relevant supposition.
guest
12/02/2009 (9 weeks ago)
wow kid this is a surprise. now were actually talking. knowledge is power and thats your point right. this is good were connecting.

now kid, im going to have to tell you the sad truth that you probably dont want to hear. kid, some of your statement was right, but not deep enough. you know kid, its sad to see a human like you, who are full of school knowledge, but you are so innocent in this world. kid, you actually got it the wrong way around again kid. big companies kid, which are only represented by a very few people, invest their money in science kid only for one reason, and that reason kid is not for everyones own good, it looks like it is kid, but its not. the sole reason to this kid is for the security of their future. health, transport, weapons, protection you name it kid its all theirs, who can afford it. while the governments job is to even it out a bit to the the public by giving you little puppets a little bit of this and a little bit of that, to make it look like there is no difference between the wealthy and the poor. but when it comes to the real problem kid, it comes out because only they, (the wealthy) can afford, while you the poor can only dream of.
you as an educated person kid and all the programs that are put together was never gathered kid by the poor and the weak. you did not exist as an educated person because you thougt you were smart, you existed as you are, because someone wanted you to. the power and streanght which is now represented by money wanted you 'the puppet', not need you, but wanted you. while you who was born on the weak side needed to exist, you needed the wealthy to put meaning on your weak poor side.

heres a short story for you kid. the first act the wealthy did with their power, was to pay puppets for their personal security, those would be your soldiers and the police now a days kid. soldiers for the outside and police for the inside. this is ofcourse after the trading of those who needed food and those who needed gold. gold of course was needed for their genereal purposes in trading. trading ofcourse was needed due to the humans natural unsatisfactory. unsatisfied ofcourse because you as a human was never born with a brain that has a balance equation, there is something missing in your brain that keeps looking for an answer and it comes out as an unsatisfied behaviour.

the next thing the wealthy did was to satisfay their needs, and thats when someone like you kid came along. ofcourse before was not as comlicated as today but thats how you and the rest of you educated people existed.

and ofcourse the last but not the least, everything got bigger and the form of government was needed. so comes the head of the people, security, health, transport and so on. to be short those that would be your security, science and economics.

and one more thing, the law. the law is very crucial to the wealthy kid. because this is what protects them inside their commonwealth land. the law was never made for everyone kid, it was first assessed by those who needed it, the wealthy. the wealthy needed it from those who wanted their wealth. and of course the governmets job is to improvise it a bit so it wont look like there is wealthy and poor.

kid, your knowledge is only for the convinience for those who really earns from it. you are so below in this system of superiority that you are blinded from the reality that cycles around you.

kid, knowledge was never a power, MONEY has always been THE POWER.

see yah kid
Guest Seeking
12/01/2009 (9 weeks ago)
Guess Who.....
This is what this thread is for and nothing more. Go to this link and see for your self.

Here's a link to view a 12 magnet motor spinning a generator running it's self.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG9chgbbweQ

You may not care and you may not think it's worth while, but the folks that build these devices enjoy building them. If they help mankind in any form or fashion is up to industry producing them and making them avialable to any one interested in purchasing them.

I have taken the time to design and fabricate many things. Some paid off others never made it to the market. We all do what we have to do for starters then what we aspire to do if we can.
Please be helpfull in any fashion you can even if all you can do is fund someones ideas. :-)
Guest Seeking
12/01/2009 (9 weeks ago)
Guess Who ...

Please take your crap away from this thread.
This verbose power rant is not helpful at all!
Leave us and let use share design ideas in peace.
This power play crap is nothing more than a nuisance.
...OOO....yu mite whant two leurn whow to spel.

Thanks
guest guess who
12/01/2009 (9 weeks ago)
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER
one of the reasons i could point out so an primitive mind like you could understand is for example the FACT that smart persons with actually money invest large ammounts of money in reasearch so they can have KNOWLEDGE in order to make more money.but in the meanwhile you can picture yourself living in another time where you were having a cold bath in the dark because everyone was so busy counting money that thomas edison invented a counting money machine instead.
Obviouslly we the educated persons (not in fisics but in civil education)need the money guys as well as the sallespersons and the sores in order to trick you fools and take the money out of someone.that s why a lot of people seem to smile to you, they are actually thinking ..........so you re the idiot ho s gona pay for all that crap?dont worry .not all persons with money are like you. i know some .and with money for real not money taked out of some idiots who buy magnetic engine plans (Bedini plans available for free on the web)like you.
you in extinction like the dodos.EVOLUTION comes with KNOWLEDGE not with money money is just a means to achieve an end .POWER.
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.
by the way maybe we dont need to break the laws of fisics in order to create energy by harnessing more power that WE put in to a specific device taking advantage of the surrounding environment being all the renewable energy systems (solar panels or wind farms )crude examples.
take care
Guest Seeking
11/30/2009 (10 weeks ago)
Correct .....use an electromagnetic field amplified with magnetism.....then take that electric field and amplify it again.....multiple stage field amplification till sufficient amperage and voltage is available to be useful for conversion to mechanical leverage.

Always keep in mind that a magnet is an electron amplifier.
guest
11/28/2009 (10 weeks ago)
guest seeking: you talk about electromagnetism. You mean you will use electricity to amplify the magnetic field?
guest
11/28/2009 (10 weeks ago)
damn kid, i really got you worked up huh. hahaha your really into this for real, arent you?

wow kid, thats a lot of information in there. kid, i couldnt be bothered reading the whole lot but i did kinda scanned through it, but good effort though. im sure everything there that you wrote checks in, i mean come on, there facts, studied by experts right?

but before i continue kid, its funny because im getting a blowjob again right now as im typing this to you. dejavu kid hahaha.

but goddamn kid, i really got you affected and attached to my character kid. its unbelievable, you went further than i thought youd go. its like i went on to some island and you went on zooming to the next galaxy. you actually studied the whole disoder thing, can you beleive your using reference like but back in 1994 a study from some guys, cant remember the rest kid cant be bothered scrolling back up but those reference sounded real kid. you might wanna slow down a bit with this research your doing kid because i dont think your getting paid to do this.

unfortunately kid those work that you did, did not affect at all, thats what you wanted to happen right you wanted me to get affected by those facts right. you could have just said im a disordered person, which you already have, that would have just done the job. i mean i can give you an explaination of a disorder person of how and why it happened in my own words kid using my own mind. but unfortunately kid a disorder person was never my point, well your trying to make it a point. let me just show you what is happening here because your trying not to notice it. here let me say this again for the hundred times, MONEY IS POWER, KNOWLEDGE IS NOT, now heres your response to that kid im a 'disorder person' so i reply to your comment about a disorder person and then after, i focus on you on how stupid and dumb your mind is, and then i focused back to my point, MONEY IS POWER, KNOWLEDGE IS NOT, so, once again you comment back and focused only on me 'a disorder person' and once again i comment back about your comment and then focused on you how stupid and dumb your mind is and then focused back to my point, MONEY IS POWER, KNOWLEDGE IS NOT, and then guess what? ohh hello im a disorder person hahaha. kid your worser than a broken record, your just totally broken. its like im playing football and then you came along with a cricket bat, hahaha can you imagine what that game look like, so i said to you, hey kiddie lets play footy and you said yeh ill be back so i kicked some footy while i waited for you and then suddenly here you are running along with a cricket bat. hahaha damn kid.

kid your comments never had a point but a disordered person while i, had made so much point, about the world, about money, about power, about education, about knowledge, about minds, and then here you are kid, hey i wanna talk about a disordered person.?? kid, you cannot accept the points im making about money and power, exactly that premitive mind i said in the very beggining. your mind hasnt even really reach the real learning process. your mind learns, but only those information that were inoccent in your mind, but once it has programed you dont have the well of power to alter your knowledge about the reality that surrounds you. your mind kid was never learning, it was only progaramming.

kid, it was a good effort kid, i gotta give it to you with all those research you did, but lets get back to my point MONEY IS POWER, KNOWLEDGE IS NOT.

i cant wait for your response, i bet you theres going to be a disorder type of comment there, wanna bet?

hey kid MONEY IS POWER, KNOWLEDGE IS NOT.

see yah kid




Guest Seeking
11/28/2009 (10 weeks ago)
Well C.B......

My take on magnetic force as it is the stronger force based on field effect per quantity of mass.....has gravity beat hands down as you well know.

Unfortunately magnets by them selves can't produce the total field effect needed to create sufficient angular leverage so use magnetic field on field to effectively amplify electromagnetism in stages just as you would using planetary gears to generate mechanical leverage in stages. The more stages of amplification the greater the sum total field effect will be at which point you should be able to extract sufficient mechanical leverage to perform useful work.

I'm in the process of building an electromotive amplification system using planetaries to generate electrical energy for home an vehicle use.
C.B.Villeneuve.
11/28/2009 (10 weeks ago)
I was told by Guest Seeking on 11/25/2009 "Well C.B. ...it's eveident you have nothing to contribute.....if it's the same crap here just stay away."

I do have something to contribute; I would like to see this forum get back on track, to a discussion about magnetism and the possibility of building a motor based solely on magnets. I have watched many videos on YouYube about magnetic motors, and have not seen anything convincing.; they all look like hoaxes or scams. Unlike those people, I do not have anything to sell. I am only trying to find out if anyone had any idea how such a motor would run. I have a very good grasp on the theory of magnetism, I have a very good supply of magnets and have run many experiments. I have debated the issue with my friends and so far we don’t see how it could be done.

Could anyone here give me a hint based on their own observations?



guest
11/28/2009 (10 weeks ago)
Diagnostic criteria (DSM-IV-TR = 301.81)

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders fourth edition, DSM IV-TR, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental disorders, defines narcissistic personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B) as:[1]

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
4. requires excessive admiration
5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

It is also a requirement of DSM-IV that a diagnosis of any specific personality disorder also satisfies a set of general personality disorder criteria.


fanatic type - including paranoid features. A severely narcissistically wounded individual, usually with major paranoid tendencies who holds onto an illusion of omnipotence. These people are fighting the reality of their insignificance and lost value and are trying to re-establish their self-esteem through grandiose fantasies and self-reinforcement. When unable to gain recognition of support from others, they take on the role of a heroic or worshipped person with a grandiose mission.


Now then, guest, look at the last paragraph and the sentence that begins "These people [that means you, guest] are fighting the reality of their insignificance..." Almost everything you have written in this forum betrays a need to prove that you're not the insignificant person you actually are. Your constant need to prove to me and others how powerful you are, actually shows how weak and helpless you are. Your repeated references to wealth show that you must be very poor (a "struggling student"). Your frequent personal attacks against people you disagree with and attacks against education portray a deep insecurity and self-consciousness about being uneducated and uninformed. You try to compensate for your failures and inabilities in this area by declaring yourself to be "wise" or a "genius" who knows half the secrets of the universe. But in reality you have displayed a very poor understanding, even total ignorance, of even the simplest concepts.

I found your little story about getting a blowjob from a model somewhat amusing, but also quite informative. I've noticed that you've made several references to your sexual prowess and having sex with many beautiful models. What these stories tell me is that you are sexually inadequate and repressed. You obviously are unable to relate to women, which is evident when you refer to women as "bitches" or that they are interested in nothing but money and sex. By creating fantasy scenarios with you as a Casanova-type figure, you try to compensate for your sexual failures. Could it be that you're impotent, or have never had a relationship with a woman (perhaps because of your mental illness)? I've also noticed that you seem to be very preoccupied with gay people. You have made frequent references to them. Evidently, you were brought up to believe that gay people are sexually inferior or just generally inferior. By ridiculing them, you try to show that you are sexually superior. But in fact you are only grandstanding and trying to compensate for your sexual inadequacy.

The other reason you pretend to be better than others and to have a better lifestyle, is that you are envious of them (see point #8 above). The real world, however, is just a living hell to you. This is what you wrote:

>there is hell you stupid idiot. you human brains just too dumb to get it. here you are talking about the nature of whatever, but you dont even understand the nature of yourself. you are the demon, this is hell, this world is the "hell".

To you, of course, this world is hell because you have isolated yourself from society and have few, if any, social contacts. You believe that you're better than others and are therefore entitled to respect, love and admiration. Instead, all you get is criticism. Since you believe that the "idiot humans" are inferior, you blame them, and attack them, because they will not acknowledge or respect you. Maybe this site is one of the few places where you can interact with people because of the anonymity it provides. You wouldn't last long in a moderated forum or any other place that has a standard of behavior. So you become envious of other people, their lifestyles, their possessions. They accept each other but they reject you because of your abnormal behavior. Because you are poor, you are even envious of people who earn a modest income, so you try to overcompensate by declaring yourself to be extremely wealthy.

Consider this a brief introduction to yourself as seen from the perspective of others, that is, the perspective of people who live in the real world. But narcissistic personality disorder is only one of your problems. I know that you have even more serious psychological problems than this, and I might talk about those as well, later on. It's like I said before, I can see right through you, and read you like a cheap novel. Scared yet? I'm sure it must be quite disconcerting for you to be understood, analyzed and then exposed in this way, because you thrive on being anonymous and secretive. You hate being exposed for who you really are, and you hate having your fantasy world shattered to bits right in front of an audience.

Some people might be wondering why he would admit to being a struggling student in the first place when his main objective is to portray himself as superior. Well I have an explanation for that as well, and I might go into it at a later time. The struggling student is who he really is. The wealthy genius with beautiful models, a nightclub, and "little humans" who serve him, that's his alter-ego, the imaginary person he uses to escape from his dull, dreary life.

We have a pretty clear understanding of what you are, guest, but the remaining question is how you got to be that way. Here are some possible causes for the condition you're in. Take a look at them and then see which ones apply to you. I know you won't divulge anything, certainly not in public, but just look at the following causes and decide for yourself.

* An oversensitive temperament at birth
* Overindulgence and overvaluation by parents
* Valued by parents as a means to regulate their own self-esteem
* Excessive admiration that is never balanced with realistic feedback
* Unpredictable or unreliable caregiving from parents
* Severe emotional abuse in childhood
* Being praised for perceived exceptional looks or talents by adults
* Excessive praise for good behaviors or excessive criticism for poor behaviors in childhood

Some narcissistic traits are common and a normal developmental phase. When these traits are compounded by a failure of the interpersonal environment and continue into adulthood they may intensify to the point where NPD [narcissistic personality disorder] is diagnosed. Some psychotherapists believe that the etiology of the disorder is, in Freudian terms the result of fixation, to early childhood development. If a child does not receive sufficient recognition for their talents during about ages 3–7 they will never mature and continue to be in the narcissistic early development stage. It has been suggested that NPD may be exacerbated by the onset of aging and the physical, mental, and occupational restrictions it imposes as can most personality traits.

A 1994 study by Gabbard and Twemlow reports that histories of incest, especially mother-son incest are associated with NPD in some male patients.

My suggestion, guest, is that you seek help immediately because your condition is only going to get worse with time if nothing is done about it. As anyone who has observed your behavior will agree, you are simply not ready to be let out in public.
guest
11/26/2009 (10 weeks ago)
hahaha running of things to say kid?? hey has this ever happened to you, getting a head job while laughing at the same time because its happening right now kid as im typing this to you. damn it feels good. have you ever looked close at a models beautiful face, its like an angel kid, its face is so innocent, and that face is giving me a head job right now, she said hi by the way, thats the closest youll get to an angel face like hers kid and thats because of me. again its power.

kid seriously, your starting to bore me now. your starting to sound like that other stupid dumb guest before. is he giving you a head job right now? its ok kid you can say it, as i already said and you already know being gay in america is ok and accepted so its ok let it out.

am i really insulting? damn kid, your gonna have to get used to it because sometimes i talk like this so get used to feeling shit about yourself. and plus you shouldnt care about how you feel anyway, a person who is entitled to care about how they feel is only for a person who has something to say and is a somebody in this world, you kid, is a nobody and has nothing to say, so you dont deserved to care about how you feel. everytime your feeling down, just dont think about it too deeply because as i said you dont have the power to do anything about it and you dont have the right mind to say the right words. just think about it as fuckin pain.

here kid, let me educate you once again. when your looking for a definition, dont just rely on wikipedia or your dictionary kid because really is that the best explaination you can give me? be a little bit more creative kid and use your mind for once. ok heres the real definition kid of your intellic very short and simple. intellic kid progress because of your survival the rest that you know just branches out of that idea that your mind had adopt. and right now kid im surviving way better than you are, your barely surviving, while i have already survive. im even surviving so good that i can even help a lot of you people who are barely surving, to survive. now thats how you explain things kid. wikipedia, is that where your intellic is relying on?

i didnt check that site you gave by the way, i cant be bothered.

hey kid gotta live it here for today because this bitch right here blowjobing me is complaining about the keyboard on top of her head.

see yah kiddie
guest
11/26/2009 (10 weeks ago)
>little human like you intellectualy more superior than me?? i have the money, i have the power, who can be more superior than that??

>not even one, not in a thousand years and yet there are literally hips of them following me waiting to get fucked by me. thats what you call GOD!!! little human like you more superior than me??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_complex

Need I say more?
guest
11/26/2009 (10 weeks ago)
Beneath all those insults and all that posturing lies a frightened, broken and confused little boy. Take my advice and listen to what others are saying. And do try to play the game, it might do you some good. If you refuse to participate, you will still be playing the game, but it will take much longer to advance it. I would urge you to at least give it a try. And what about the question I asked you. Try to answer it honestly. I won't make fun of you or anything. OK?
guest
11/26/2009 (10 weeks ago)
ohh one more thing kid, you cant miss this, this is going to be your favourite.

I CAN buy you by the way
guest
11/26/2009 (10 weeks ago)
>Can a dummy become self-aware?
after you read this, ask yourself that question

wow, damn kid, are you trying to write a book? well done, this maybe the firs step of you earning a little bit of money. dont worry ill ride along, ill help you a bit.

"kid" "stupid" "freakin dumb" those words are meant to be angry? are you trying to be a phycologist? so anyone who uses those words, your advise is that they are angry? kid your doing a bad job, your going to cause more war in this world. you need to go out more kid, maybe some pussy perhaps? when did the last time the elephant had some?

kid you dont even know how to make real money then suddely you know how i think? let me give you a tip, reading peoples mind, what they need and want, is the key to a successful business. but you are not a successful money maker. the last thing you can do is reading peoples mind. you are an idiot

so you want me to admit, and you wont hold it against me? ok heres a question for you, what made you think i care what you hold against me? wow kid are you dreaming or what? heres another one, "i almost pity you", what? where in the world did you pull all this from? kid, who cares what you want or not want to hold against me, or whoever it is you pity, no one cares, no one cares how you feel kid. let me remind you again, your rubbish, no one cares about rubbish, rubbish get dumped, even if you get recycled, you still wont get near me, i dont use recycled things. you can dream about me, thats all you can do.

your using your comp to search the words ive said? why? kid, are you listening to the words your saying? it doesnt matter how descent your trying to make it sound like, the result is the same "sick". bang!! computer search what a dumb ass.

"Whether it's in my favor or not doesn't matter." ofcourse it matters to you, you are the lowest class in the human race, favor is your survival.

and then your telling me that this is a game. damn your dumbness served you once again. of course i know this is a game, i started it you idiot, and your in it.

you even admit your imitating me. what are you now an actor? actors get paid kid thats why they do it. you know how you said im sick, have ever asked yourself if you are?

>I won't disclose my reasons just yet, but I might do so in the future under the right conditions.
>This is a "game" (if you want to call it that) that takes a long time to play, and it obviously depends on the continuation of this site.

that is so dramatic, hey kid, you could win the dumbest acting of all time 50 bucks reward. you sound like your defending yourself in the court and everything is gone wrong.

and then your asking me a question, and your hoping for me to cooperate? reminder again, wasnt i the first one challenging you educated people that MONEY IS POWER, KNOWLEDGE IS NOT, why havent you said anything about that, that is my main point, i repeat MONEY IS POWER, KNOWLEDGE IS NOT!!! and now your using words like "i hope you will cooperate"? what??

ofcourse i love myself, im power, im as good as one can get. i cant blame you though if you dont love yourself, i mean who would, you dont have power and and to make things worse you look like an elephant. have you ask your mom who your father is?? hahaha im sorry kid i was just asking if you have asked your mom, you know?

"fraud"? kid, are you really asking for an evidence here in the net to prove to you that something is not a fraud? let me just say this again, who in the world cares what you think, maybe your family does, even them are probably just preteding they care, otherwise no one will feed them. second, if your going to act like you doubt somebody in the net, you might as well go straight to the point and ask for their bank details, you know so you could steal money from them. your just getting dumber and dumber.

little human like you intellectualy more superior than me?? i have the money, i have the power, who can be more superior than that?? are you blind? you little humans are working your ass of to earn money while im getting massage, drinking martini and literally followed by an entourage full of pussies waiting for me to fuck them, and these are not just a normal pussies, these are high class model pussies. you wont even have the chance of dating one of these pussies in your entire life, not even one, not in a thousand years and yet there are literally hips of them following me waiting to get fucked by me. thats what you call GOD!!! little human like you more superior than me?? go back to work kid, feed your family, they need food.

people who provides me with what i need kid is just one group, when they retire there will always be another one who pops up, whose in need a bit of my power in return for their service, that includes fuckin and all the dirty work, you name it they will do it for me. theres always someone waiting kid, waiting for my power. without my power you dont exist, everyone who exist needs power, needs me. you got it the other way around kid, im the reason you exist, i dont need you, YOU NEED ME.

let me put this in your term kid as an educated person, im sure your familiar with this "SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST" now a days kid its called "WHO EVER HAS THE MONEY IS THE FITTEST".

nice try kid, you tried your best, the shit that comes out of your mouth will never matter, its literally shit, im talking about the shit that comes out of your ass, for some reason its coming out of your mouth. get yourself checked. dont forget to wipe that poh out of your mouth before you go out in public.

and oh take your cheap puzzle with you

MONEY PREVAILS


Can a dummy become self-aware?
11/25/2009 (10 weeks ago)
I am pleased that you are following my script the way I intended. You are behaving exactly as I predicted.

>haha this is so funny. your mind is so young kid, maybe your face is old, but theres no doubt your mind is a baby. your going to love this comment kid, your about to see that my mind is way superior than yours. it has always been anyway, no question about that.

>the only buttons your pushing is under my armpit. damn you are so stupid its funny, even the suggestion that you should not put your fellow educated person to shame, seem to sound unpset to you. damn kid, you are freakin dumb.

Interesting, but I don't think you actually believe anything you have written here. You don't really think this is funny. You don't believe that my mind is that of a baby or a kid. If you did, then you wouldn't feel this intimidated. That's right, you are obviously intimidated by me because you know that you are dealing with a superior individual who has no respect for you, and places you in the same category as an amoeba, a dummy, or a piece of dirt - totally inferior. I can see right through you, and I can read you like a cheap novel. So you are feeling exposed and vulnerable. Just reflect on that for a moment. You are using the words "kid" "stupid" and "freakin dumb" because you are feeling angry, defensive and vulnerable. You are trying to insult me as a way to put up a defensive wall because you're scared. But it's not working. It bothers you that you can't deceive me, doesn't it? It frightens you that there is somebody who knows what you're thinking, doesn't it? And it must be frustrating to know that you can't anger me or rattle me in any way. Are you frightened? If you have any sense at all, you must be frightened. Of course I expect you to deny this. I don't expect you to admit to being frightened and weak. That would not conform to your very predictable pattern of behavior. If you were to admit it, I would not hold it against you. In fact your admission would be a strong point in your favor. Sooner or later it will dawn on you that you are dealing with a different sort of individual, not the sort of person you are used to dealing with. Somebody who knows you and can control you at will. I'm the one who will bring you face-to-face with reality. The horrible reality of your sick, diseased mind. A reality that will be forced upon you no matter how much you try to resist.

But let there be no misunderstanding about this. When I refer to you as a fraud, a phony and a loudmouthed lard-ass, I really do mean it because that's exactly what you are. But you are also mentally ill and that's why I almost pity you. Don't just take my word for it, listen to what everybody else is saying. The first step to recovery is acknowledging that you have a problem, but I don't see much hope for you because you are deeply in denial, and you are rejecting anything that might be of some help to you.

>that detail kid is not memory, does that 'But back on 09/15/2009' look like memory to you? what are you an elephant!

It's very simple. Just let the computer search for the words "struggling student" (or just "struggling" or even just "strug") and the search finds the post, including the date. What a dummy, you actually thought I memorized the date? You do know how to search for text, don't you? Or is that too complicated for you?

>ok this is my favorite part, damn im so good, i love this part..

>ok first kid, commenting how im predictable, is the wrong thing to say. predicting that im going to say so much shit thats true about you is not so much in your favor. doing that is just dumb and stupid. thats funny isnt it?

You ARE predictable. Whether it's in my favor or not doesn't matter. I know that you are going to "say so much shit" about me and about other people. And I'm always pleased when my predictions come true because then I know that I've made the right calculations. You have no choice in what you do or say. It's all predetermined. You're just a dummy that does what its master tells it to do. In fact, I can be taken right out of the equation, I don't even have to exist. I can just sit back and watch your behavior. But I'm here to provide some input to encourage you to yield more information, and you have indeed responded with plenty of information, just as I intended.

>ok, i love this part too.
>have you heard of those twisted stories kid? because it just happened to you. actually kid its not me playing your game as you say im supposed to, havent you notice kid, your starting to talk shit like me.

You're right, I was imitating you to some extent, and I might do it again from time to time. You were supposed to notice it, and you did. I made it easy for you. I have also imitated the writing styles of other people in this forum. And there is a definite reason, a good reason, for doing so. I won't disclose my reasons just yet, but I might do so in the future under the right conditions. This is a "game" (if you want to call it that) that takes a long time to play, and it obviously depends on the continuation of this site. If they take down this site, or if nobody posts anything, the whole thing will come to a sudden end, but I will have collected some useful information along the way. I'll just say that you're one of the central players of this game, whether you like it or not.

>you even remember that im from australia, kid thats not memory thats passion, you have passion for me. human brain dont remember the things they dont give a shit with

I have a passion for the "game" but not for you, although you're a part of the "game" (it's not actually a game in the usual sense, but I'm just using that word to keep things simple). And besides, everybody knows that the biggest dummy around here, the one who writes more posts than anybody else, is the guy in Australia (that's right, IN Australia because I know that's not where you're FROM). And I didn't say I don't give a shit about you. I implied that you're worth little more than a piece of shit.

>but you remembered, you have an obssession for me

I'm going to ask you a question, and this is important so I hope you will cooperate. How many people that you've talked to during the last year or so have used the word "paranoid" or "paranoia"? Do you remember who they were, relatives, acquaintances, professionals? If you can answer that question honestly you will have made a contribution and I will give you a prize. Think about it.

>have you been studying me?

You have caught a brief glimpse into reality. A very brief glimpse. That's all I'm going to say about that for now. This is also a sign of self-awareness in the real world, which is good.

>i know you love me and you want to be like me, but im sorry kid i dont love you, your rubbish to me.

You are exhibiting the symptoms of what is called "narcissistic personality disorder". In the imaginary world that inhabits your mind, you are in love with yourself (you think you're a genius, are wealthy, and so on) and you believe that others love or admire you, or at least they should love or admire you, and if they don't they are "stupid idiots" or whatever else you like to label them. But in the real world few people, if any, love or admire you. They think you're a disgusting slimebag. Let me just remind you of what I wrote in my previous post (the one about the ventriloquist and the dummy). I wrote: "What's the matter, don't like being exposed as the slimy dirtbag of a fraud that you are?" Now does that sound like love or admiration? Not in the real world. Does it mean that I hate you? No. A piece of dirt is just a worthless object, not something anybody would hate.

>ohh actually, i do say a couple of words once in a while to you know the little humans around me who wants little money, just to make sure i get things done.

Those "little humans" are far superior to you in a number of ways. They are intellectually and morally superior to you. And without them you wouldn't survive. They're the ones who provide you with food, clean water, health care, electricity, transportation, and so on. You wouldn't last a month without the "little humans" because you're just a weak babbling fool without an education and without any skills or abilities except how to put people down.

Try to listen to what others are saying about you, and try not to immediately dismiss them, because they can connect you to reality. If you only listen to yourself, you will never escape from the hell of your imaginary world.

Now I've left you with a puzzle you might try to solve. There are clues scattered about this post (I won't tell you where), and there's also a clue in my previous post. Consider yourself stuck in a maze. Let's see if you've got what it takes to get out. Maybe I'll provide some hints later on when the time is right. I'll be watching and studying.

Take care, dummy
guest
11/25/2009 (10 weeks ago)
>I was on this group months ago, just coming back to see what happened. Not much! Same posturing put-downs and name calling by cowards hiding behind a pseudonym.... Where is the moderator?

This forum is unmoderated, and people don't usually give their real names in a forum like this. But there have been a few changes though they may not be obvious. Come back in a few months and see if anything has changed.
Guest Seeking
11/25/2009 (10 weeks ago)
There is no moderator for this thread....it is what it is.

Does any one have any info to share about new magnetic tech or electromagnatism or electrical generation.

If you have nothing then stay away .....do not post verbal nonsence in this thread.

Just stay away!
Guest Seeking
11/25/2009 (10 weeks ago)
>C.B. Villeneuve

11/25/2009 (3 hours ago)
I was on this group months ago, just coming back to see what happened. Not much! Same posturing put-downs and name calling by cowards hiding behind a pseudonym.... Where is the moderator?<

Well C.B. ...it's eveident you have nothing to contribute.....if it's the same crap here just stay away.
C.B. Villeneuve
11/25/2009 (10 weeks ago)
I was on this group months ago, just coming back to see what happened. Not much! Same posturing put-downs and name calling by cowards hiding behind a pseudonym.... Where is the moderator?
guest
11/25/2009 (10 weeks ago)
Explorer....don't bother answering this person....your just feeding into there nonsence.

Strictly shop talk and they will go away. Talk to the people that contribute thoughtful ideas and concepts.
And the same message to all others wishing to learn and contribute.....just ignor all trite.
You understand....I'm sure.
explorer
11/25/2009 (10 weeks ago)
>explorer, do you even know the meaning of phschotic? do you even know why that meaning came about in the human mind?

I wasn't looking for an argument, just a reasonable discussion. I have nothing against you, but you are causing a disturbance here.
guest
11/25/2009 (10 weeks ago)
damn, are you people really educated? and non of you educated people had been straight with my point, MONEY IS POWER, KNOWLEDGE IS NOT! why hasnt anyone taken this challenge yet? havent you people heard enough from yourself saying "get an education"? everytime i mention my power, you say get an education, evrytime i mention what education is really for you then you people say im a fraud then everytime i get back to my point "MONEY IS POWER" then you people say im sick.

damn kids, your startin to sound like a broken record. does anyone of you educated people really has the brain to explain in this room why education is importnat? does anyone of you educated people has the mind to explain why a person with so much power who can survive without working, still need education?

come on kids, stop singing, you people are getting too obvious. show this room your educated minds.

guest
11/25/2009 (10 weeks ago)
explorer, do you even know the meaning of phschotic? do you even know why that meaning came about in the human mind?

guest
11/25/2009 (10 weeks ago)
>guest energy for real

i think with all that CAPITAL letters, i believe youve already send this comment? why send it again, do you want attention? ok ill give you attention.

first of all ill repeat this again, you are, a low class, just like that guest kid there that ive been mind fuckin. you two should mary each other.. go on dont be shy, you can kiss him. gay marriage is legal there in america isnt it?

about that interacting, yeh you are right, i like fuckin around with an educated mind, my money feel so powerful everytime i do. it feels so good, you have no idea, obviously you cant have that idea. it feels unstoppable, its power is unbeleivable. its like to me kid, you are just a tool, a hammer i need to to smash a nail or anything that i want to smash just because im bored. it feels like you are not even a living thing.

ohh sorry i got carried away there for a second, but about that part of having to be in contact with you, kid, are you freakin dreaming? contact with a tool like you? someone with my power wanna be in contact with a tool like you?? what has this world become, where is the sense in your mind?

of course i wont study fisics of course, are you stupid, newtons three laws is not going to buy me a lamborgini nor build me a palace, eisnstiens E=MC is not going to pay for my empire. it cant even buy me a toilet paper.

hey kid, what is the purpose to be a better person? come on use your mind, dont be dumb!
guest
11/24/2009 (10 weeks ago)
>Yeah,see. You're a kid, kid. Don't kid yourself. Kids will be kids, I'm not kidding. You are a kid. Now do you understand, kid? You're a kid.

hey kid, your getting boring. is that all you can say? think harder kid, your mind should have been exercised by now with all the schooling you did. but "kids will be kids"? what in the world is that, wheres that come from? right not your boring me kid. have some sugar, a lot of sugar
explorer
11/24/2009 (10 weeks ago)
I agree with the previous posters that the mindless dribble and nonsense doesn't add to the discussion. But the problem is that every time there is a discussion, the psychotic (you know which one I mean) throws insults at people when he hears something he doesn't like. So then the discussion deteriorates into a bunch of attacks and counter-attacks, and progress comes to a halt.
Guest Seeking
11/24/2009 (10 weeks ago)
smartalec44

>11/24/2009 (1 hour ago)
A lot of these forums have no activity relying on the google search engines keyword insertions.For some inexplicable reason this forum has had a lot of activity. <

I enclined to agree!

Pompous dribble.

Now can we get back to productive thought process in this thread?
smartalec44
11/24/2009 (10 weeks ago)
A lot of these forums have no activity relying on the google search engines keyword insertions.For some inexplicable reason this forum has had a lot of activity.

In the earlier discussions,there were some excellent responses and key words and names to research.However, lately,the posters seem to be brainless psychotics hell bent on creating worthless dribble.
Guest Seeking
11/24/2009 (10 weeks ago)
With every one's collective brillance here why not do something productive and comment on this youtube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhwQt1tJYa8&NR =1&feature=fvwp
guest energy for real
11/24/2009 (10 weeks ago)
This is suposed to be a cientific blog .why is then some many non educated people dont have the work of learning before the experiments?In my point of view magnets are nature natural batteries , ie they can transmit energy but they will run out and to recharge them we need to spend more energy than we can harness.....
even if it worked agains the laws of fisics they would be the next black gold, no?

We dont need another niche market to be absorbed by corporations, they exist to make money , not to make our lives easier.

Please dont listen to these idiots who say the magic magnetic engine exists, these oportunists that only slow progress down.There ARE magnetic engines but they are USELESS as they dont produce energy out of nothing.

Be realistic and never give up but learn to think cientifically.


why do we need to loose time trying to create gold out of nothing if gold is arriving to our planet )FREE GOLD in the form of light and heat?

MAGNAMOTORS and others alike :i dont believe there is a hell but if there is i wope you twisted freaks burn in it along with your fantasies.
Guys try to gather around a serious subject do research , exploit ideas talk to each other but on realistic means to achieve an end.

Investors GET A LIFE.the money shoul be invested where the knowledge and expertize and means are:in a R D facilities with real cientists.

Cientists please dont get a life , we as a world need you guys but sharing an idea can make you advance in your projects as it was proved.
.

BY THE WAY GUEST ON THE COMMENT OF MY POST GET LOST.
i VE ALWAYS AGREED TO SOMEONE WHO DISAGREES WITH MY OPINION BY PRESENTING TO ME VALID REASONS.
WHAT YOU SAID WAS JUST SAD AND PROVENIENT FROM A COMPLETLY USELESS HUMAN BEING.WHEN I PRONOUNCE MYSELF ABOUT SOMEONE OR THEIR OPINIONS I USUALLY TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT AT LEAST NOT SAYING THAT HIM OR HER CAME FROM A LOWER CLASS. YOU DONT KNOW ME , MY RPH, MY EDUCATION OR MY BACKGROUNDSOYOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING BUT BY QUICKLY IMPLEMENTING OTHER RENEWABLE SOURCES OF ENERGY WE CAN REDUCE DRASTICALLY THE GLOBAL WARMING EFFECT TO ACCEPTABLE LEVELS.
"now im still offering the behaviour of magnetism for a price ofcourse. and if its a very good price i can also give you an idea of how and why a solar system is very related to an atom model and that there is a law of how sizes come about and that you can tell those students who are studying string theory that its full of shit that they better quit now and study something else instead"

DO I NEED TO SAY MORE? YOU ALONE IN YOUR ROOM CHEATING PEOPLE AND SEYING PORN ACCOMPLISHED TO SAVE THE WORLD.....
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE YOU CAN GO LECTURE ALTHOUGHT UNIVERSITIES DONT PAY FRAUDS.

BY THE WAY THE WAY THAT OUR SOLAR SYSTEMS,AND THE ATOM WORK IS EVERYWERE OVER THE INTERNET SO WE DONT NEED ANOTHER WISE MAN SELLING INFO.FOLLOW MY ADVICE AND GET SOME EDUCATION, NOT FISICS EDUCATION BECAUSE YOU DONT NEED IT TO BE SMART BUT CIVIL EDUCATION FOR YOU TO BE A BETTER PERSON
MAY YOU GO IN PEACE TO YOUR PORN AND POPCORN AND LEAVE THE HONEST PEOPLE AT WORK.
By the way having a couple thousand dollars in 2 accounts and be on the net all day in forums tryng to trick someone who is wounded,sick or ill is sothing the hienas use to do.and that my friend is considered work. the fact that when commenting in these forums you are interacting with us,the educated people doesnt mean you are in contact with us. FOLLOW MY ADVICE AND GET SOME EDUCATION, NOT FISICS EDUCATION BECAUSE YOU DONT NEED IT TO BE SMART BUT CIVIL EDUCATION FOR YOU TO BE A BETTER PERSON
TAKE CARE
guest
11/24/2009 (10 weeks ago)
Yeah,see. You're a kid, kid. Don't kid yourself. Kids will be kids, I'm not kidding. You are a kid. Now do you understand, kid? You're a kid...........what an ass.
guest
11/24/2009 (10 weeks ago)
Yeah,see. You're a kid, kid. Don't kid yourself. Kids will be kids, I'm not kidding. You are a kid. Now do you understand, kid? You're a kid.
guest
11/24/2009 (11 weeks ago)
haha this is so funny. your mind is so young kid, maybe your face is old, but theres no doubt your mind is a baby. your going to love this comment kid, your about to see that my mind is way superior than yours. it has always been anyway, no question about that.

the only buttons your pushing is under my armpit. damn you are so stupid its funny, even the suggestion that you should not put your fellow educated person to shame, seem to sound unpset to you. damn kid, you are freakin dumb.

ok next
>But back on 09/15/2009

that detail kid is not memory, does that 'But back on 09/15/2009' look like memory to you? what are you an elephant! maybe you look like an elephant, but your memory is sure not. kid, have you ever thought of the things you write? actually i dont think your capable of thoughts.

ok this is my favorite part, damn im so good, i love this part..

ok first kid, commenting how im predictable, is the wrong thing to say. predicting that im going to say so much shit thats true about you is not so much in your favor. doing that is just dumb and stupid. thats funny isnt it?

ok, i love this part too.
have you heard of those twisted stories kid? because it just happened to you. actually kid its not me playing your game as you say im supposed to, havent you notice kid, your starting to talk shit like me. you dont sound near educated at all. you are playing my game kid. im just genuis really. your killing yourself.

you even remember that im from australia, kid thats not memory thats passion, you have passion for me. human brain dont remember the things they dont give a shit with, there are laws in your memory, you need to have the right mind to break those laws. but you dont have the right mind for that kid, but you remembered, you have an obssession for me.

you want to be like me dont you? the way youve been stating your comments is starting to get very similar to how i normaly express my comments such as "you still dont get it do you?" things like using examples comparing you and me, kid, no one else uses this technique in this room but me. have you been studying me? damn your twisted kid, im not surprise though.

heres another good one, im sure everyone knows this. most nerd freak, like you kid, normaly dont have a life. you might wanna rethink the part about life experience.

ohh dont forget the subject kid, you, feeling proud as an educated person, dont mean shit compare to my money. your basicly rubbish against my money. your proud education is a toy to money kid. but you should thank your mom for giving you education, at least now you have an extra paper "certificate" to wipe your ass when you dont have money to buy a toilet paper.

hey, dont forget, your embarrasing your fellow educated friends.

hey, i hope you understand yourself better now.
dont be afraid to face your misfortunes. you know not having enough money and looking like an elephant.

i like calling you this, dumb ass stupid idiot.

i know you love me and you want to be like me, but im sorry kid i dont love you, your rubbish to me.

see yah kid
guest seeking
11/23/2009 (11 weeks ago)
Take your foul mouths and thoughs else where!

Come back when you have a contribution to make.

.....and a life!
guest seeking
11/23/2009 (11 weeks ago)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhwQt1tJYa8&NR =1&feature=fvwp
Is a dummy better than a piece of shit?
11/23/2009 (11 weeks ago)
>if i were you, you should just shut your mouth kid

oohh you sound upset. Did I push your buttons? What's the matter, don't like being exposed as the slimy dirtbag of a fraud that you are? Poor little bugger, it looks like the jig is up. Your alter-ego has been found out.

And you're so predictable. Your reply is exactly what I expected, right on cue with your usual catchwords ...education ...money... power... primitive ... mind...


>i mean i wont even give a shit about what you said last week.

Because you have such high standards of conduct. You're a real model citizen. Maybe you should run for public office - dog catcher would suit you (or kangaroo catcher in your case). People just have to read your posts and they'll immediately vote for you.

>you went on to focus on an individual like me trying to sound like you still have somthing to say about the subject, but kid i was never the subject

Yes you are the subject, you poor clueless little turd. You still don't get it do you? This is all just a game, like an onstage performance by a ventriloquist and a dummy. I'm the ventriloquist and you're the dummy. I write a post and you reply to it right on cue and exactly like you're supposed to. I control what you say and how you say it. You poor hapless little sod, you don't know what's going on do you, I'm almost starting to pity you.

>ohh i forgot again kid

You see there's your problem right there. It's because of your poor memory that you had a momentary lapse and forgot to play the part you're supposed to play - that of the sleazy pimp and nightclub owner. You have a poor memory and a crappy mind. I have a good memory and an excellent mind. That's why I will always have an advantage over you. I will always be a winner and you will always be a loser.

>wow kid, you actually went all the way back that far?

Come on, it's not rocket science to remember your silly little posts. To you it might be difficult, but to me it's child's play to remember things, especially when it's that simple.

>but im sorry kid im not going to go as low as you

What's low, to show everyone that you're a fraud, a phony, a loudmouthed lard-ass? Come on, stop whining. You're starting to sound like a weakling or a milquetoast. What, you can dish it out but you can't take it? So what are you, a milquetoast or a weakling? If you think this is low, you've seen nothing yet. You have no life experience. What a crybaby.

But don't worry, you do have a purpose in life, and that's to make people laugh, even if you're doing it inadvertently. The angrier you get, the funnier you sound. I know how to push your buttons and make you angry so that you'll be funny so that people will enjoy the show. Every time you write a post you provide more information about yourself and which buttons to push. Don't get me wrong, I'm not mad at you. I almost pity you. Almost. You can't make me mad, but you CAN make me laugh. Be proud of that.

And be proud that you have the talents of a wooden dummy. Without that you would be nothing but a piece of shit.

Take care, dummy
smartalec44
11/23/2009 (11 weeks ago)
guest who
11/21/2009
smartalec44
11/23/2009 (11 weeks ago)
guest who

11/21/2009 (1 day ago)
guest seeking is not guest with a brain. They are two different people. Can't you see the difference? For one thing, guest seeking believes fake YouTube videos, guest with a brain doesn't. Go back 22 weeks and you'll figure it out

guest at madrid
11/23/2009 (11 weeks ago)
Hi
just want to say that magnets cant work forever and have to be recharged.
how do we do with without breaking the laws of thermodynamics......
lol lots of personal issues going on.....
guest
11/22/2009 (11 weeks ago)
ohh i forgot again kid, if i were you, you should just shut your mouth kid because your embarassing the rest of the educated people in this room.
guest
11/22/2009 (11 weeks ago)
>So what are you, a struggling student or a wealthy pimp or drug dealer? You've either got some kind of multiple personality disorder, or you're just a troll who likes to bullshit people on Internet forums. Whatever the case, you're a very sick person.

wow kid, you actually went all the way back that far? you might wanna think of that very sick person kid because your starting to sound like your obssessed with me. i mean i wont even give a shit about what you said last week.

but i can easily figure you out though. it showing that you cant accept the fact that an educated person like you dont mean shit in this world, its hard isnt it? and you also know that money is defenitely way way way waaaayyy more powerful, meaningful and has more effect to people than education and that you cant argue that part, so you went on to focus on an individual like me trying to sound like you still have somthing to say about the subject, but kid i was never the subject, it was your education that you were so proud of verus my money. you already lost kid, you and your education dont mean shit in this world, my money does, its power! i can also understand the part that you still have a primitive mind were your mind hasnt rich the level of acceptance which basicly applies to almost every human creature in this planet. accepting is very hard to exercise, human creatures are very proud, just like you kid, thats why you cant accept. but when the truth hits you, your going down kid because you are too proud to change the mistakes you made. thats why a lot of wrongs have become right because of mind like yours. the truth kid does not go away, it stays and if you mix it up with wrong it bites you back. i know you more than you know yourself. now you see, mind is not very complex, its just you who makes it complicated.

and this digging out thing that your doing, you can figure it out kid. i mean you can try anyway, but im sure you dont have the mind for it. but im sorry kid im not going to go as low as you, thats exactly why you fit in the low class. im rude kid but im not low.

see yah dumb ass
guest
11/22/2009 (11 weeks ago)
>i dont work, i have money and i dont give a shit about the rest
>education my ass, go shove grammar in and out your ass
>there are only two things that girls want, MONEY and good FUCK

You sound like a pimp or a drug dealer.

But back on 09/15/2009 you said you're a struggling student.

So what are you, a struggling student or a wealthy pimp or drug dealer? You've either got some kind of multiple personality disorder, or you're just a troll who likes to bullshit people on Internet forums. Whatever the case, you're a very sick person.
guest
11/21/2009 (11 weeks ago)
there are only two things that girls want, MONEY and good FUCK, that equals to love. if you feel like love means more than that, its just your mind playing tricks with yah, or could be your just too ugly.
guest who
11/21/2009 (11 weeks ago)
guest seeking is not guest with a brain. They are two different people. Can't you see the difference? For one thing, guest seeking believes fake YouTube videos, guest with a brain doesn't. Go back 22 weeks and you'll figure it out.
smartalec44
11/21/2009 (11 weeks ago)
Guest Pimp With A Cathouse!I wouldn't be proud of being an illiterate Pimp who has to have one of his girls read these threads while you dictate a response.

You haven't explained your fascination with light up sneakers at your age?

Since Guest with a Brain told us that a magnet is an amplifier of electrons,then electricity must be a flow of electrons.

Since there is plenty of energy in electrons,don't we have to find out how to harness and control that energy to create free electricity without using input energy?
guest
11/21/2009 (11 weeks ago)
oh sorry i forgot again, about sweeping floors, i can get the cleaner to have a break so you can do it so you can earn extra money, while your at it can you shine my shoes too, dont forget to kiss it, i love it when you people put your lips on my shoes, it doesnt feel dirty.

thanks kid
guest
11/21/2009 (11 weeks ago)
>>You can't be an alien!Your too stupid.
Why don't you go back to sweeping floors at that nightclub
and maybe attend an English grammar class.You should take the batteries out of your light up sneakers.

i dont need grammar you idiot human. that would be you who needs it, you need education so that you can work your ass of to earn money. your a low class, you dont have money, if you dont have education, youd be in the gutter. i dont need education, i already have money, you dont i do. so go on idiot human thing, study somthing else more it may help you with your position at work, you know a little bit more money for you so you can have a break, actually you cant have a break, you need to work your ass of otherwise youll die, you dont have money if you dont work. and by the way, i dont work, i have money and i dont give a shit about the rest, which is basicly the most logical thing to do if you are a wise person who has money. it feels good by the way. ohh actually, i do say a couple of words once in a while to you know the little humans around me who wants little money, just to make sure i get things done. and just to let you know, those people who needs to be around me, they are all educated by the way, im not, but im feeding them. thats right idiot. you want money? im sure you do, dont pretend you dont, its what keeping you alive and you know it. education my ass, go shove grammar in and out your ass you might feel some sensation, consider that as your break for the day.

see yah, idiot human..

ohh i almost forgot, just incase you dont see it, you are the stupid one. because you are an educated person but you are not wealthy, you know how your parents educate you people so when your older you will get security, security by the way means money now a days, technically your educating to earn money. im sure you dont have enough. good luck with your grammar kid.

see yah.. stupid idiot
smartalec44
11/20/2009 (11 weeks ago)
guest

11/18/2009 (1 day ago)
there is hell you stupid idiot. you human brains just too dumb to get it. here you are talking about the nature of whatever, but you dont even understand the nature of yourself. you are the demon, this is hell, this world is the "hell".

>You can't be an alien!Your too stupid.
Why don't you go back to sweeping floors at that nightclub
and maybe attend an English grammar class.You should take the batteries out of your light up sneakers.
guest
11/18/2009 (11 weeks ago)
there is hell you stupid idiot. you human brains just too dumb to get it. here you are talking about the nature of whatever, but you dont even understand the nature of yourself. you are the demon, this is hell, this world is the "hell".

stop talking about what you think you know about magnetism. your one little human brain dont possible have what it takes to figure the nature of magnetism out. your minds just dont reach the level to alter an idea out. no matter how much you know your minds are dumb. you people are climbing the wrong tree. you will never figure it out unless one of you nerd freak climbs down and find another tree.

see yah.
guest
11/18/2009 (11 weeks ago)
In my point of view magnets are nature natural batteries , ie they can transmit energy but they will run out and to recharge them we need to spend more energy than we can harness.....

Please dont listen to these idiots who say the magic magnetic engine exists, these oportunists that only slow progress down.There ARE magnetic engines but they are USELESS as they dont produce energy out of nothing.

Be realistic and never give up but learn to think cientifically.


why do we need to loose time trying to create gold out of nothing if gold is arriving to our planet )FREE GOLD in the form of light and heat?

MAGNAMOTORS and others alike :i dont believe there is a hell but if there is i wope you twisted freaks burn in it along with your fantasies.

LOL
guest
11/15/2009 (12 weeks ago)
hang on hang on, dont forget the subject 'magnet motor'.
but i do have a beautiful mind, its a great mind, its so great that it fucks up another mind, like your minds, its getting fucked right now. its so beautiful, its like magnetism, either it attracts or it repels but either way it defenitely affects "magnetism". im the positive that you need and the negative that you want.

>Hey guest, I know 75% of the secrets of the Universe. I'll sell you 25% for a billion dollars.

no you dont, you sound like an idiot.

and about this alien thing. ill give you and idea again, an idea that your minds cannot posses, you are an alien, well, part alien anyway. humans turns out to be a stupid breed. it was all an experiment that didnt have a purpose. thats why non of you have a purpose, well, as i said before you people think you do but you dont, its just all for the fun of living, just a reason to live. its so boring to live for years without a reason. but really the reason that you think your living for is important, it dont mean shit, you are just living until you die.

thank you all very much.. i see you all in hell
guest
11/15/2009 (12 weeks ago)
>You heard about the die-hard bunny who keeps a hopping.I'm amazed that this thread keeps a ticking while other threads peter out.It has to be the result of something other than good key words used by the google search engine.
Maybe an alien is directing all of us fools to this site.

It's because of that guest who won't go away. Every time the thread dies down he resurfaces just to tell everyone how great he is and how stupid everybody else is.
smartalec44
11/15/2009 (12 weeks ago)
guest
11/13/2009
You are the owner of a successful and lucrative nightclub that brings in lots of money.

>He already said that he doesn't own the nightclub but merely hangs out there.(He probably sweeps the floors and cleans the restrooms after everyone leaves)

No human being can have all of your superior abilities, knowledge, money and power. Therefore, you must be an alien! That's right, an alien!

>He's not the alien.I suggested that someone else on here was the alien.(I forgot who)

>You heard about the die-hard bunny who keeps a hopping.I'm amazed that this thread keeps a ticking while other threads peter out.It has to be the result of something other than good key words used by the google search engine.
Maybe an alien is directing all of us fools to this site.

guest
11/15/2009 (12 weeks ago)
smartalec, you forgot to mention guest who thinks he's the second coming of Christ.

Hey guest, I know 75% of the secrets of the Universe. I'll sell you 25% for a billion dollars.
guess who
11/14/2009 (12 weeks ago)
>I wish you dimwits would start identifying your self with other than guest,guest with a brain,guest who smokes pot,etc.

We're doing it just to bug ya, smarty-pants.

Watch out! There's an MIB standing right behind you! LOL.
smartalec44Sativex
11/14/2009 (12 weeks ago)
guest
11/13/2009 (17 hours ago)
smartalec44Sativex
11/14/2009 (12 weeks ago)
I wish you dimwits would start identifying your self with other than guest,guest with a brain,guest who smokes pot,etc.
guest
11/13/2009 (17 hours ago)
smartalec44Sativex
11/14/2009 (12 weeks ago)
I wish you dimwits would start identifying your self with other than guest,guest with a brain,guest who smokes pot,etc.
guest
11/13/2009 (17 hours ago)
guest
11/13/2009 (12 weeks ago)
Let me see if I got this right, guest. You're a superior individual and everybody else is inferior and a worthless idiot. Only you have a complete understanding of how the world works and therefore understand and know every person who lives in it. You have 50% of the answers to all the questions or secrets of the universe including the secrets of magnetism, which you are willing to sell for a high price. Of course you have complete knowledge of atomic structure as well as superior knowledge of complex physical theories such as string theory which you regard as "full of shit". You know more than any scientist with an extensive education. In fact, you don't have an education and don't need one because education is just "crap" and you know so much more than do educated people, including scientists. You can instantly determine what goes on in a person's mind just from a short post they have written. You are the owner of a successful and lucrative nightclub that brings in lots of money. You're extremely rich and have contacts with many powerful business leaders and politicians, including the president. You only post messages here when you're bored, despite all that money, all those contacts and luxurious lifestyle. With all your accomplishments and abilities you must be a billionaire by now, maybe even a trillionaire? The nightclub is probably just a source of mild amusement for you.

No human being can have all of your superior abilities, knowledge, money and power. Therefore, you must be an alien! That's right, an alien!

OK, which planet are you from? Out with it, guest.
guest
11/12/2009 (12 weeks ago)
hey hey watch your heart, remember you have a purpose, dont die just yet.

but really guest with a purpose, im really sorry to say this but you really dont have a purpose, as usual, you think you do, but, really, you dont. you can even ask your mom.

and will you stop this thing about this education crap, because really all of you specialy you guest with a purpose, who talks so much shit about education really, dont deserve it, yeah thats right guest with a purpose specially you. you dont know what to do with your knowledge, you are useless to this information you have. the information can be usefull but when this knowledge get into a mind like yours it becomes rubbish. im sorry but this is the only way i can explain it right now, but your mind is like a trashcan... the information rots inside, it freezes it doesnt have a purpose anymore. and yet you call yourself guest with a purpose, you should be ashame of yourself. your mind doesnt have what i takes to improve this knowledge, you know it, but you dont know what to do with it.

and by the way, i dont have to know you to actually know you, i just have to know how this world works. and you are not in the higher class. well, you can pretend if you want, but your just fooling yourself. well, first of all, higher class people are busy making money, and you on the other hand is busy talking shit. now thats only the first one but im not going to go to the second the third and so on.

>LOL I DIDNT ASK ANY QUESTION EITHER

well of course you dont have anymore question! because i already gave you an answer. thats why you didnt have to ask the question. tsk idiot.

hey be polite ok and dont forget watch your heart. but really you dont have a purpose.

guest
11/12/2009 (12 weeks ago)
>To the guest who doesn't know how to have the subject and verb agree.Stop wasting your time at that nightclub.See:
http://bit.ly/X3Gza

smartalec 44, actually you should come out sometime my friend. have a break, look at the world around you. maybe then, you might find the answers your looking for. if i see you out in the club, ill show you how CHEMISTRY, really works. theres only one law out there and one law only, 'GET SOME HEAVEN FEELING'.

and hey, thanks anyway for your grammar advice but i dont think this shit will ever change anymore my friend. the way i talk is more of a habit now, i thnk ive passed that learning process already. its either you get it or you dont. but ill try to keep that in mind.
explorer
11/12/2009 (12 weeks ago)
Guest with a purpose wrote:
>Investors GET A LIFE.the money shoul be invested where the knowledge and expertize and means are:in a R D facilities with real [s]cientists.

I agree. Of course I wasn't seriously thinking about investing in anything based on rumors and unproven claims.

There have been a lot of claims around here about magnet motors and other inventions, but no proof. You know there is something fishy going on when somebody claims to have proof of an amazing invention, but the inventor won't even disclose his name and doesn't want any publicity for his invention.
smartalec44
11/11/2009 (12 weeks ago)
To the guest who doesn't know how to have the subject and verb agree.Stop wasting your time at that nightclub.See:
http://bit.ly/X3Gza

The basic rule states that a singular subject takes a singular verb, while a plural subject takes a plural verb.

NOTE: The trick is in knowing whether the subject is singular or plural. The next trick is recognizing a singular or plural verb.

Hint: Verbs do not form their plurals by adding an s as nouns do. In order to determine which verb is singular and which one is plural, think of which verb you would use with he or she and which verb you would use with they.
Example: talks, talk
Which one is the singular form? Which word would you use with he? We say, "He talks." Therefore, talks is singular. We say, "They talk." Therefore, talk is plural.
guestWITH A PURPOSE
11/11/2009 (12 weeks ago)
This is suposed to be a cientific blog .why is then some many non educated people dont have the work of learning before the experiments?In my point of view magnets are nature natural batteries , ie they can transmit energy but they will run out and to recharge them we need to spend more energy than we can harness.....
even if it worked agains the laws of fisics they would be the next black gold, no?

We dont need another niche market to be absorbed by corporations, i know because i work in one of them and they exist to make money , not to make our lives easier.

Please dont listen to these idiots who say the magic magnetic engine exists, these oportunists that only slow progress down.There ARE magnetic engines but they are USELESS as they dont produce energy out of nothing.

Be realistic and never give up but learn to think cientifically.


why do we need to loose time trying to create gold out of nothing if gold is arriving to our planet )FREE GOLD in the form of light and heat?

MAGNAMOTORS and others alike :i dont believe there is a hell but if there is i wope you twisted freaks burn in it along with your fantasies.
Guys try to gather around a serious subject otherwise people with means and hopes and dreams may give up and we need those dreams as a whole.do research , exploit ideas talk to each other but on realistic means to achieve an end.

Investors GET A LIFE.the money shoul be invested where the knowledge and expertize and means are:in a R D facilities with real cientists.

Cientists please dont get a life , we as a world need you guys but sharing an idea can make you advance in your projects as it was proved.

We will continue to monitor this issue, as it is too important to be taken care lightly, dont forget our future as human race is at stake.
Take care.

BY THE WAY GUEST ON THE COMMENT OF MY POST GET LOST.
i VE ALWAYS AGREED TO SOMEONE WHO DISAGREES WITH MY OPINION BY PRESENTING TO ME VALID REASONS.
WHAT YOU SAID WAS JUST SAD AND PROVENIENT FROM A COMPLETLY USELESS HUMAN BEING.WHEN I PRONOUNCE MYSELF ABOUT SOMEONE OR THEIR OPINIONS I USUALLY TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT AT LEAST NOT SAYING THAT HIM OR HER CAME FROM A LOWER CLASS. YOU DONT KNOW ME , MY RPH, MY EDUCATION OR MY BACKGROUND IN SEVERAL FIELS OF DEVELOPMENT.

SO BEFORE YOU SAY"the difference between you and me is that i already understand what i want and what i need while you just dont know and understand it yet, well, you think you do, but you dont."

YOU CAN TAKE THAT PSEUDO BS SOMEWERE ELSE BECAUSE THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU AND ME .YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING BUT BY QUICKLY IMPLEMENTING OTHER RENEWABLE SOURCES OF ENERGY WE CAN REDUCE DRASTICALLY THE GLOBAL WARMING EFFECT TO ACCEPTABLE LEVELS.

"now this probably answer your question, why i want and why i need what i said i want and need"
LOL I DIDNT ASK ANY QUESTION EITHER

"now im still offering the behaviour of magnetism for a price ofcourse. and if its a very good price i can also give you an idea of how and why a solar system is very related to an atom model and that there is a law of how sizes come about and that you can tell those students who are studying string theory that its full of shit that they better quit now and study something else instead"

DO I NEED TO SAY MORE? YOU ALONE IN YOUR ROOM CHEATING PEOPLE AND SEYING PORN ACCOMPLISHED TO SAVE THE WORLD.....
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE YOU CAN GO LECTURE ALTHOUGHT UNIVERSITIES DONT PAY FRAUDS.

BY THE WAY THE WAY THAT OUR SOLAR SYSTEMS,AND THE ATOM WORK IS EVERYWERE OVER THE INTERNET SO WE DONT NEED ANOTHER WISE MAN SELLING INFO.FOLLOW MY ADVICE AND GET SOME EDUCATION, NOT FISICS EDUCATION BECAUSE YOU DONT NEED IT TO BE SMART BUT CIVIL EDUCATION FOR YOU TO BE A BETTER PERSON
MAY YOU GO IN PEACE TO YOUR PORN AND POPCORN AND LEAVE THE HONEST PEOPLE AT WORK.

TAKE CARE
guest
11/10/2009 (12 weeks ago)
ok so you people are still here, now im still offering the behaviour of magnetism for a price ofcourse. and if its a very good price i can also give you an idea of how and why a solar system is very related to an atom model and that there is a law of how sizes come about and that you can tell those students who are studying string theory that its full of shit that they better quit now and study something else instead.

>all right , i was very surprised an happy and sad after reading these posts.surprised because we are still very few searching for answer.....happy because there is a very brave group with a wide and wild imagination as it was already said that will defenitly break the boundaries in this fiels magnetism or other, like better development of the REAL solar panels witch can harness the power already existent.NATURE PROVIDES US WITH THE ANSWERS TO OUR PROBLEMS BY GIVING THE EXAMPLE.but sad because many are in this either for their own interests or because someone pays them .

to guest with pupose, im sorry but i have to disagree with you. we are all here because we need and want something. the difference between you and me is that i already understand what i want and what i need while you just dont know and understand it yet, well, you think you do, but you dont.

science is just the convience for the higher class and you and the rest of the people who are in the lower class just happens to cling to it and got affected by it. if your mind happens to reject this statement, then just ask yourself, how many are there in the higher class specialise in science? there are very few who made it and those are the ones who've discovered something that makes money or supported by an even higher class. but the higher class do need science, they need science to keep controlling the lower class.

now this probably answer your question, why i want and why i need what i said i want and need.

and besides, all these should be the least of our worries at this point, because we are yet to face something very deadly 'the global warming'. its not showing much just as yet, but its defenitely on the verge and building a shocking temperature collapse that science doesnt have the equation to calculate that its coming. it has already started, and theres not a damn thing science can do about it, actually, its all because of science (money science).
Off-THE-GRID
11/10/2009 (12 weeks ago)
Who needs the electric companies and the grid.I have specially constructed solar panels which have a secret liquid which when exposed to the sun's rays produce 5 times as much electricity as the standard solar panel.

Together with very powerful inexpensive large capacity plastic batteries for non-radiant parts of the day,I don't need any stinkin grid.

I found out about the composition of this special liquid on the internet.
guest with a purpose
11/10/2009 (12 weeks ago)
This is suposed to be a cientific blog .why is then some many non educated people dont have the work of learning before the experiments?In my point of view magnets are nature natural batteries , ie they can transmit energy but they will run out and to recharge them we need to spend more energy than we can harness.....
even if it worked agains the laws of fisics they would be the next black gold, no?

We dont need another niche market to be absorbed by corporations, i know because i work in one of them and they exist to make money , not to make our lives easier.

Please dont listen to these idiots who say the magic magnetic engine exists, these oportunists that only slow progress down.There ARE magnetic engines but they are USELESS as they dont produce energy out of nothing.

Be realistic and never give up but learn to think cientifically.


why do we need to loose time trying to create gold out of nothing if gold is arriving to our planet )FREE GOLD in the form of light and heat?

MAGNAMOTORS and others alike :i dont believe there is a hell but if there is i wope you twisted freaks burn in it along with your fantasies.
Guys try to gather around a serious subject otherwise people with means and hopes and dreams may give up and we need those dreams as a whole.do research , exploit ideas talk to each other but on realistic means to achieve an end.

Investors GET A LIFE.the money shoul be invested where the knowledge and expertize and means are:in a R D facilities with real cientists.

Cientists please dont get a life , we as a world need you guys but sharing an idea can make you advance in your projects as it was proved.

We will continue to monitor this issue, as it is too important to be taken care lightly, dont forget our future as human race is at stake.
Take care.

guest
11/09/2009 (13 weeks ago)
i have figured it out but i need some ideas and it is not perpetual because they do die ..you want answers then email me at thine82@live.com..i would like some thoughts and ideas though on people that are serious
guest with a purpose
11/09/2009 (13 weeks ago)
all right , i was very surprised an happy and sad after reading these posts.surprised because we are still very few searching for answer.....happy because there is a very brave group with a wide and wild imagination as it was already said that will defenitly break the boundaries in this fiels magnetism or other, like better development of the REAL solar panels witch can harness the power already existent.NATURE PROVIDES US WITH THE ANSWERS TO OUR PROBLEMS BY GIVING THE EXAMPLE.but sad because many are in this either for their own interests or because someone pays them .


TO ALL THAT BELIEVE IN A BETTER FUTURE DONT GIVE UP BUT DONT BE STUPID EITHER
explorer
11/05/2009 (13 weeks ago)
>I will not release his name online for now, although contingency plans are in place should anything happen I'd rather not tempt these fates.

But you said that he is looking for fiscal support. If his invention really works, then I'm sure investors (myself included) would want to see the invention and know where to send money.

Does he have a patent for it yet? Is there a website or something where we can get more information? Thanks.
guest
11/05/2009 (13 weeks ago)
>And by the way, when you talked about how science keeps advancing, surely you weren't talking about yourself. Science certainly doesn't advance on account of people hiding their ideas, designs or inventions. So why don't you put your money where your mouth is. Put up or shut up, little boy.

oohh did my comments hurt your feelings? im sorry kido. but i dont think you really have any idea what this world is capable of do you kid? hey kid, i dont think ill even have to explain this to you but just look around you kid, this world doesnt get better because a man is getting smarter, this world is getting worser because man is getting smarter!! if i have to explain this again to you kid then i think you still posses one of the most premitive mind thats still rooming around in this planet! the type of mind where one thinks that having an idea is a smart, and sharing it to the world is even more smarter.

kid, go on and finish your ice cream.
guest
11/04/2009 (13 weeks ago)
And by the way, when you talked about how science keeps advancing, surely you weren't talking about yourself. Science certainly doesn't advance on account of people hiding their ideas, designs or inventions. So why don't you put your money where your mouth is. Put up or shut up, little boy.
guest
11/04/2009 (13 weeks ago)
>science doesnt get better using the same law

Nobody said anything about using the same law, so don't try to put words into people's mouths. I'll repeat what I said: "If it weren't for scientists and engineers who understand the laws of physics, and are discovering new laws, there would be no technological advances..."

>science doesnt get better using the same law, it gets better because someone push's the bounderies basicly someone who is not scared to fuck the law up, then new discoveries are found. that kid is how science keeps advancing.

Good boy. You don't know much about science, but the above statement actually makes sense - up to a point. What do you think these new discoveries are written as? They are written as laws so that people can understand and work with the phenomenon in question. Not only does science progress by changing laws (or "fucking them up" as you put it), it also advances by improving the existing laws. Do you even know what a scientific law is? If you need an explanation (and you obviously do) come to me, little boy, and I'll guide you through it. Count yourself lucky.

>and by the way i do have a design but i dont have to prove it to you though because as you already know, you are a nobody!

You keep saying that you have a design, but you won't show it to anyone. I think you're full of hot air and either don't have a design or it's so harebrained that you're afraid of looking ridiculous if anybody sees it. Of course, you could easily prove me wrong by showing or patenting an actual design that actually works. That will never happen because of your attitude and because you know next to nothing about science.

So what's going to be your next excuse for hiding your "design" or hiding your brilliant "ideas"?
guest
11/04/2009 (13 weeks ago)
>If it weren't for scientists and engineers who understand the laws of physics, and are discovering new laws, there would be no technological advances (like the computer you're using right now), and we would still be stuck in the dark ages believing in a flat earth surrounded by crystalline spheres.

and ohh im sorry i almost forgot kid, you can have your ice cream now.
guest
11/04/2009 (13 weeks ago)
>If you're so smart then why don't you go ahead and build this marvelous machine instead of shooting off your mouth with nonsense. Go ahead and PROVE it!

ohh please you sound like my parents. and by the way i do have a design but i dont have to prove it to you though because as you already know, you are a nobody!

>If it weren't for scientists and engineers who understand the laws of physics, and are discovering new laws, there would be no technological advances (like the computer you're using right now), and we would still be stuck in the dark ages believing in a flat earth surrounded by crystalline spheres.

kid you are smart but not smart enough! the reason why we keep advancing because there are people out there who keeps fucking the law. science doesnt get better using the same law, it gets better because someone push's the bounderies basicly someone who is not scared to fuck the law up, then new discoveries are found. that kid is how science keeps advancing.

dumb idiot! heres a tip for you kid, when your using a law it doesnt mean you cant play around with it. or if you want to make it sound more interesting, use the law as an idea and then fuck it up!



guest
11/04/2009 (13 weeks ago)
>now all you need now is a brain, you need a brain to design and engineer a machine using the magnet!!

>fuck the the laws of physics!!!

If you're so smart then why don't you go ahead and build this marvelous machine instead of shooting off your mouth with nonsense. Go ahead and PROVE it!

But it's no use, because you will never accomplish anything with an attitude like that.

If it weren't for scientists and engineers who understand the laws of physics, and are discovering new laws, there would be no technological advances (like the computer you're using right now), and we would still be stuck in the dark ages believing in a flat earth surrounded by crystalline spheres.
guest
11/04/2009 (13 weeks ago)
look heres a little thing for you people, magnetic motor is not possible if you are going to look at it in the magnetics perspective or how a magnet behaves. BUT, magnetic motor is DIFFINTELY possible if your going to use the magnet to make and include it to be a machine. now all you need now is a brain, you need a brain to design and engineer a machine using the magnet!! remember, there is a difference between what or how you are made of and to what it is you can do and capable of.

fuck the the laws of physics!!!
smartalec44
11/04/2009 (13 weeks ago)
guest

11/04/2009 (6 hours ago)
>I'm in PA....what is your state local?

now if im not mistaken PA stands for pennsylvania right? guestseeking im afraid what it is you plan wont work because im from australia, unless you come here otherwise your going to have to find a different way.

Youn better watch out for the MIB.They took care of Lutec in Australia. Was Lutec silenced or was he a fraud?

Everytime I google for these people who had breakthrough working devices,I get nada for any present actions or existence.If they were frauds,wouldn't the deception be publicized.
explorer
11/04/2009 (13 weeks ago)
>Today I witnessed a magnetic motor using monopoles designed in someones back yard after 4 years of tinkering

Where did you see this, in person or on youtube?

>He has an IQ second only to steven hawkings, this may be part of it but I believe anyone with will and a way could replicate this.

Who is he? How do you know his IQ; is there a record of it from a reliable source?

>ignoring what physics text books want you to learn and LEARNING HIMSELF via experimentation.

Physics is based on experiments, and what you see in textbooks is just an explanation of those experiments. Not everyone has the time, expertise and equipment to conduct their own experiments, so they read about them in books. There is no conspiracy among authors of physics textbooks to misinform the public.

>He is looking for fiscal support

If he really has invented something important that works, then he should have no problem getting financial backing. I'll even take out a bank loan and support his invention if he can prove that it works. But you'll have to provide a lot more information than just claiming that you saw a device that violates the laws of physics, invented by some unknown person. Not very plausible.
guest
11/04/2009 (13 weeks ago)
>I'm in PA....what is your state local?


now if im not mistaken PA stands for pennsylvania right? guestseeking im afraid what it is you plan wont work because im from australia, unless you come here otherwise your going to have to find a different way.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
11/04/2009 (13 weeks ago)
To: guest
11/03/2009 (4 hours ago)
>guest seeking, as i said thanks for the info but i really dont know what your talkig about that site. but hey tell you what, if you can find a safe way you and i can communicate i will share the idea to you. <

I'm in PA....what is your state local?
guest
11/03/2009 (13 weeks ago)
guest seeking, as i said thanks for the info but i really dont know what your talkig about that site. but hey tell you what, if you can find a safe way you and i can communicate i will share the idea to you.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
11/03/2009 (13 weeks ago)
To: smartalec44
11/03/2009 (8 hours ago)
>You have been sleeping for a long time.What woke you up other than being mistaken as the guest.<

I left messages back in Oct 2nd and 21st about Richard Clem ....no responce and told you that a magnet is an electron amplifier....no responce!

This other guest with out an ID name who has 50% of all the answers to very important questions of our universe is worried about money and I gave him the answer to his financial problems .....all he needs to do is follow the instruction and file the paper work.

If he chooses to be cryptic about his understanding of magnetism .......well that's his choice......why bother to even mention it in this thread.

I gave you a clean cut answer to a question I've been asking from the start.

>If you boys are so talented and creative to discover the secrets of the universe,why can't a unique ,succinct handle be chosen which doesn't confuse the masses?<

Please do not lump me with the masses....remember .....I'm guest seeking!:-)
....which should tell you I know I don't have all the answers.....so what does this mean???....may be I'm dense??? >unique,succinct handle be chosen which doesn't confuse the masses?
smartalec44
11/03/2009 (13 weeks ago)
guest

11/03/2009 (9 hours ago)
once again i thank you all very much, i will waite for that person who can give me what i want (personaly) not from a site.

I can trade you the plans for a universal coat hanger for your secrets of free energy.

guest seeking real understanding of energy

11/03/2009 (10 hours ago)

You have been sleeping for a long time.What woke you up other than being mistaken as the guest.

If you boys are so talented and creative to discover the secrets of the universe,why can't a unique ,succinct handle be chosen which doesn't confuse the masses?
guest
11/03/2009 (14 weeks ago)
>My understanding of magnets and there property comes from nature and what the natural universe offers as design answer to natural creation and process of matter. all we can do is try to imitate all of this design creation.

and oh guest seeking, i will give you one of the many things that i know. here is the equation to that word 'NATURE' of your sentence WANT IT could also be CALL IT and the other is NEED IT. if you can figure it out its all yours or to the public. it is so universal that it can explain why you are lazy, it can even explain why being late to work doesnt just happen to one person but to everyone. also dont forget balance, balance plays a big part of your existence so never forget that for this equation.

once again i thank you all very much, i will waite for that person who can give me what i want (personaly) not from a site.

guest
11/03/2009 (14 weeks ago)
>Work on collapsing your public trust and you'll get your funding. If you have truths share with all now for no man is guaranteed tomorrow!

i beg to differ, trust only comes to very few of us. you may think of yourself as a person who can be trusted. but my friend just let me remind you that your only one i repeat one only out of the billions of the so many different people i repeat so many different people in this world.

but you are right though, i could end tomorrow. but if it does happen i do wright this things down and im sure someone will read it, at the end it wont go to waste.

by the way guest seeking, its not only the magnetic behaviour that i can explain, there is another simple understanding that i posses that i know is very very important to science.
guest seeking, im sure you know about that string theory right? well thats another full of shit, its just not right.

i dont know where the money is on that site you gave me.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
11/03/2009 (14 weeks ago)
To: guest
please use an identifier name.

>guest seeking, ill check that money site, but about your definition of the magnets behavior, I'm sorry but I'm going to have to say its wrong, totally wrong. I'm sorry guest seeking I'm not saying that I'm smarter than you, well maybe I am, but your idea is nowhere near close.<

>I'm sorry guest seeking I cant release the idea too because I know for sure once I do there will be a whole different direction in science and I want to be apart of it, at least the money part.<

I gave you your money.... so you hold back idea to be part of the money....if this is a par dime shift for civilization you need to come forward.

My understanding of magnets and there property comes from nature and what the natural universe offers as design answer to natural creation and process of matter. all we can do is try to imitate all of this design creation.
Lightning, tornadic formation, motion of fluids,
states of energy.

You know a galaxy is nothing more than a machine designed to transform matter back to it's fundamental partials to keep the universe from implosion.

Work on collapsing your public trust and you'll get your funding. If you have truths share with all now for no man is guaranteed tomorrow!
guest
11/02/2009 (14 weeks ago)
>A magnet is an electron amplifier.
That is the definition of a magnet.


guest seeking, ill check that money site, but about your definition of the magnets behaviour, im sorry but im going to have to say its wrong, totally wrong. im sorry guest seeking im not saying that im smarter than you, well maybe i am, but your idea is nowhere near close.

im sorry guest seeking i cant release the idea too because i know for sure once i do there will be a whole different direction in science and i want to be apart of it, at least the money part.

>The few people still left to see the obvious won't use the secret in a fruitful way any way.

smartalec 44, its not about how you feel of this statement, its just that nothings free now a days, you know that.

>How much are you asking? If I can't afford it, can I buy 25% ?

well guest, i dont really know how much, but if there is something that could answer half of this universe's puzzle wouldnt it be worth a lot? i just dont know what a lot means.

and to all of you, i can surely say who is right and who is wrong, just because i know how to make one. and if there is one who is going to challenge this statement but cannot create a basic magnetic behaviour, then i suggest you dont, give youself a favor shut your mouth because your just going to put yourself to shame!!

i thank you all very much
guest seeking real understanding of energy
11/02/2009 (14 weeks ago)
To: smartalec44
11/02/2009 (1 hour ago)

> you people are still here? what in the world!!? you people have a life or what!!?? you people don't understand how a magnet really works so stop talking bullshit you people
I've been in this conversation from the beginning and if your the same person asking what a magnet is and how a magnet really works, why don't you part with this superior knowledge if you indeed are not a fraud.<

This is: Guest seeking who was asking what a magnet was.....I gave you the answer already.
I will always be guest seeking real understanding of energy in this topic thread. .....so I said on 10/21.....

10/21/2009 (1 week ago)
A magnet is an electron amplifier.
That is the definition of a magnet.

This new guest is offering his knowledge at a price......so please do not confuse me with other guests.......I will always be listed as guest seeking!

.....now for this new guest.....if he needs money I will give him a link he must go to and follow the instructions on the 9/22/09 conference call on how to collapse there Cestui Que Trusts .....

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=49494&cmd=tc

This call is 5.25 hours long! If they are over 25 yrs old they can collapse there public trust created for him or her at birth and move his being into the private and live off the trust funds.....this guest should have no problem with finances if they follow the instructions.

Now guest with the simple answer to magnetism you may give us your explanation so we can understand how simple it is please. I gave you the answer to your money problems now give up your information.
smartalec44
11/02/2009 (14 weeks ago)
guest

11/02/2009 (5 hours ago)
you people are still here? what in the world!!? you people have a life or what!!?? you people dont understand how a magnet really works so stop talking bullshit you people


I've been in this conversation from the beginning and if your the same person asking what a magnet is and how a magnet really works, why don't you part with this superior knowledge if you indeed are not a fraud.

The few people still left to see the obvious won't use the secret in a fruitful way any way.
guest
11/02/2009 (14 weeks ago)
>anyone pays me and ill give you 50% of all the answers to this universe!

How much are you asking? If I can't afford it, can I buy 25% ?
guest
11/02/2009 (14 weeks ago)
you people are still here? what in the world!!? you people have a life or what!!?? you people dont understand how a magnet really works so stop talking bullshit you people.

i know how a magnet works, the answer doesnt lie in your laws and equations. the answer to the magnetic behaviour is so simple. i cant create an intense magnetic behaviour but i can certainly create a similar one.

anyone pays me and ill give you 50% of all the answers to this universe! at the moment i have no use for this information because i havent got the resource to create an intense magnetic behaviour and even if i did i would not know how and what to use it with, all i know is how it works.

anyone has the money and ill explain to you how it works, you wouldnt believe how simple the answer is. its so simple that you wont even have to experiment on it ill just have to explain it and i dont even have to explain the whole thing ill just have to say the first idea and bang straight away youll get it and trust me your jaw will drop and the only way you can say WOW is in your head saying i cant believe i missed it.




Gent
10/29/2009 (14 weeks ago)
Yes, it should be possible if you follow nature - 8 magnets on outer wheel, 5 magnets on inner wheel (Fibonacci numbers), allowing a natural, continuous spiralling effect.
guest
10/25/2009 (15 weeks ago)
>http://www.freeenergy-freeelectricity.com/

This is just one of the Magniwork websites for selling their phoney magnetic generator plans. But I think more people are starting to catch on to these free energy scams.

Here is another poll and discussion about Magniwork:

http://www.99polls.com/poll_80004
guest
10/22/2009 (15 weeks ago)
ok i found this site which supposedly shows a working one, but be skeptical for many reasons...many reasons............
http://www.freeenergy-freeelectricity.com/
guest
10/22/2009 (15 weeks ago)
It is possible to make one but there would be many kinks to work out. Also to do this is on a large scale would cost a lot of money. Not to mention it would make oil and gas prices drop so much the person who made it would eventually be assasinated, but they would make billions right before it... and if one was made why is it not being used it would end global warming and destruction of the environment so anyone saying, " i have seen one" is lying...peace
guest seeking real understanding of energy
10/21/2009 (15 weeks ago)
A magnet is an electron amplifier.
That is the definition of a magnet.
guest
10/21/2009 (15 weeks ago)
When a weight is lifted and held above the ground on earth, it takes power or energy to do that. If one moves a strong permanent magnet over an iron weight, it will be lifted and held against gravity, thus demonstrating energy and work done. So you can ask, "Where does the energy come from?"....Answer: From the magnet! The magnet creates a 'river' or flow of electromagnetism created by the combined spin of the aligned molecules in the magnet. Think of it as a constant wind blowing out one side and back into the other, a sort of pump.
smartalec44
10/05/2009 (18 weeks ago)
On the Keely site about Richard Clem,Lutec,Jasker,MEG,and Japanese Rod Power Generator were mentioned as free energy devices.

Lutec from Australia seems to be shut down as fraud or silenced by MIB.
Japanese Rod Power Generator with Dr. Ben Schwartz,chairman of Noah's Ark Research Foundation
See: http://bit.ly/2QP1If
seems to have advanced into a ERR(Electromagnetic Radiation Receiver) Fluxgenerator.
See: http://bit.ly/lM3oP
From an unscientific boob like myself,it appears interesting.
guest
10/04/2009 (18 weeks ago)
Does anyone actually manufacture a magnet motor? If so, where are they. I keep hearing of this technology, but I have yet to see it working. I don't believe anyone has perfected it into a commercial unit for the public. I'd purchase one.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
10/02/2009 (18 weeks ago)

Clem was a genius with creating flower hybrids.

He was assaulted and left for dead a couple of times in his yard.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
10/02/2009 (18 weeks ago)
smartalec44
10/01/2009 (7 hours ago)

>Go back to Pielut Ives comments in June where he states that he has been working on this or maybe he could respond currently.
Maybe if you Google his name there might be a trail to follow.<

Thanks...... I'll check the June info out.

.....as for Clem.....My steam turbine design is similar, but utilizes the change of state of matter and lower operational temperatures and properties of water. Water is very abundant all around us and it's very easy to create steam with out burning any fossil fuels.

Mine is a closed system, as is Clem's, although I utilizes a better feed back system than Clem. I use stages in one continues motion, the first being a vortical feed pump to supply and pressurize the water from which I move to a fluid expansion stage and repressurization stage which all then moves to a steam generation stage out to another expansion stage forced passed a very unique turbine design then out a special pressure relief value to a condensing stage, then back to the water storage supply. (all burning zero fuel!) .....is has a built in mechanical energy feedback system so basically the faster this turbine goes the easier it is to produce shaft rotation. Very,Very simple.

My system thinks and acts like it's operating at 20k rpm, but only operates at 10k.

It's design is nearest I could achieve to the mechanical representation of the dynamics of an electron.

Clem's unit was tested by Bendix Corp. at 350 shaft HP......I believe my system will produce many times that dynamic shaft HP simply because I'm utilizing the change of state of matter where Clem utilized the heat energy created in oil with no changing states.

In the correct configuration most this steam turbine will most likely achieve 1000 plus hp for a very small turbine the size of Clem's.......from a totally sealed box!
This means you don't have to keep adding water like a traditional steam boiler.

I came up with my design and was able to identify the mechanics of his design from the old unlabeled photo. Basically back engineered his work with out having to. Hope you find this tid bit of info interesting;-)
smartalec44
10/01/2009 (18 weeks ago)
guest seeking real understanding of energy

10/01/2009 (13 hours ago)
smartalec44

What should I be looking for as the third field manifests it's presence? Effects and apperance?

Have you actually created this third field?

Go back to Pielut Ives comments in June where he states that he has been working on this or maybe he could respond currently.

Maybe if you google his name there might be a trail to follow.
smartalec44
10/01/2009 (18 weeks ago)
I copied this whole blog on to a text file just in case it expires or is terminated by the MIB.

There are a lot of key words to google and investigate if you take your time.

What difference does it make if someone is getting their feet washed, shoes shined, or hair cut if information buried in the metaphysical can lead to a solution or answer to free energy.

In fact,isn't this Kryon fellow suppose to be an alien with advanced knowledge.

I find Richard Clem's engine using compound phenomena,vortex action,cavitation,viscosity, & form of heat pump fascinating.Too bad he was killed by the MIB in the late 1970's.However his daughter still has the secret.

See: http://www.keelynet.com/energy/clem1.htm
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/clem2.htm
http://keelynet.com/energy/clem3.htm
guest
10/01/2009 (18 weeks ago)
Here is the link to the article "Cosmic Lattice Part II" that smartalec44 was talking about:

www.kryon.com/k_29.html

Further down the page we find the following paragraph:

"Now it is time to talk about the miracle-to reveal why we're here. Some of you have gone through this science discussion while we washed your feet, only to wonder how it relates to your personal lives. Physics? Science? So where does the regular light worker fit into this?"


It seems that these cultists are getting their feet washed while they are getting their brains washed at the same time. Sort of like a 2 for 1 deal.
R
10/01/2009 (18 weeks ago)
An all magnetic motor is not possible as the magnetic field is a static one. This is equivalent to a electric motor having dc current flowing through a coil wound on an iron core on both the stator and the rotor. Or, take the stator of a DC motor and the rotor of a permanent magnet synchronous motor and try to make it operate. The rotor will invariably find an equilibrium position. All designs do have such an equilibrium position.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
10/01/2009 (18 weeks ago)
smartalec44

09/30/2009 (9 hours ago)

I will work on this magnetic field experiment.....I find the concept very interesting.

What should I be looking for as the third field manifests it's presence? Effects and apperance?

Have you actually created this third field?
smartalec44
09/30/2009 (18 weeks ago)

I researched a little of Pielut Ives and copy/pasted some of the Cosmic Lattice he referred to:

Abstraction of the theory is not new. If you seriously want to know about it, refer to Dr. Thomas Bearden's 1987, 2cd. ed., "Excalibur Briefing" in the Introduction, third sentence. THAT, is the key in a nut
shell. He concluded that a motor could result from the
theory application. My research revealed right the opposite. It can be applied as a generator ONLY.
A more detailed explanation can be found at www.kryon.com
click: 'non-animations'; click: 'The Kryon Channelling Pages (all the channellings)'; scroll down to: 'The Cosmic Lattice, Part II, N.H. 1998. You can read all if you want, but for the core, scroll down to the 38th para.
for intro tech., or on down to para. 44 for the kernal. I don't have much confidence in so-called 'Channelling'
per se, but a German E.E. alerted me to this thru Pat
Kelly's site about this Lee Carroll, Audio E.E.'s, channelling. Believe it or not, it is for-real - tho very abstract. I discovered it independently before before I ever heard of either man. Judge for your own self.

Here's how it works. Two magnetic fields together, postured in the correct way-a way that is very three-dimensional in your thinking process-will create a "designed magnetic field" that is very specific. It's one you have never seen, and does not exist naturally. Start with trying many magnetics fields, postured against one another-of unequal force and pattern, and at right angles. Don't make any assumptions. Think freely. Done in the right fashion, these two fields will create a third pattern, which is unique and is the product of the original two. This third custom created pattern is the one you what to deal with, and is the one that has the potential of manipulating the lattice. One you have created it, you will know of its special qualities by how dramatically it changes the physics around it. It won't be subtle in its exposition - believe me. You will know when you have it.

Here is a caution. Keep this experiment away from yourbody! Keep the experiment in check with youmethods. Go slowly. Understand what you're seeing before you go to the next step. Do not expose yourself to any magnetic fields. Remotely conduct all energy experiments. Remember that magnetics also plays an important part within your body.And you wouldn't want to become a time traveler by accident.
Nur Chilis
09/27/2009 (19 weeks ago)
IT IS SYMPLE BUT EFFICIENT
Nur Chilis
09/27/2009 (19 weeks ago)
I belive now after see videos and i read theory magnetics
guest
09/23/2009 (19 weeks ago)
The Perendev motor is a work of fiction, as is the Searl Effect generator that was mentioned earlier.

Don't believe everything they tell you. Do some research and find out for yourself.
guest
09/22/2009 (19 weeks ago)
A Magnet Motor is definitely possible. The biggest curve ball is that magnets die out after going by the same polarity all the time, so what has to be done is the magnets have to be arranged at an angle to define the direction, and the same amount of north and south poles being used on both the rotor and stator must pass each other. opposites in the direction needed for attraction, and an equal amount of repulsion, sounds impossible, but it isn't.. Look at most of Perendev's work, and he does this.. It will make a true infinity motor.
guest
09/22/2009 (19 weeks ago)
A Magnet Motor is definitely possible. The biggest curve ball is that magnets die out after going by the same polarity all the time, so what has to be done is the magnets have to be arranged at an angle to define the direction, and the same amount of north and south poles being used on both the rotor and stator must pass each other. opposites in the direction needed for attraction, and an equal amount of repulsion, sounds impossible, but it isn't.. Look at most of Perendev's work, and he does this.. It will make a true infinity motor.
guest
09/15/2009 (20 weeks ago)
>i ve prsonally built a magnetic electricity free motor. and it really works

i am not this guest,

but i have design a magnetic motor that can take up load. a lot of load actually. my only concern about this design is that one of the part that plays a big rule of spinning with load may not be able to keep up with the speed of the spin and if it does it may slow the rpm down. there is another idea that ive thought to fix the problem but it is more expensive compare to my home made design. its a very simple design that even just by looking at it you know for sure it will work. i havent put it together yet coz i cannot afford it as a struggling student.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
09/15/2009 (20 weeks ago)
Many people have created a motor (spinning rotor)
with magnets.
The motion is sustained until a load is placed on the rotor shaft and it slows to a stop.

Some have accomplished this by using electromagnetic energy with a feed back system and the motion is sustainable under load.
The motor will not stop until the fields are de-energized. (switch off) and the closed loop is opened.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
09/15/2009 (20 weeks ago)
TO:
guest
09/15/2009 (8 hours ago)
>i ve prsonally built a magnetic electricity free motor. and it really works<

Were you able to create a usable mechanical rotor shaft torque and drive something with out it slowing to a stop?

Are you using only magnets to produce the rotory motion?

guest
09/15/2009 (21 weeks ago)
i ve prsonally built a magnetic electricity free motor. and it really works
guest
09/14/2009 (21 weeks ago)
guest seeking is right, you can only help each other. your kind of race have too much ego and cant help it, basicly just plain stupid no matter how educated you people are and as always will never get any results from arguing. there is a little percent whos slowly evolving, but very very little.

i still want to meet those alien creatures though, whos responsible for this stupid behaviour. i would wish for them to fix this stupidity. but then again, if this is all just an experiment then they probably dont give a crap, just like how science does the same thing to animals. scientists dont give a crap, they just find it soo cool what theyve achieved. but who knows, i maybe able to level up with there intellegence and may see this whole thing as a mess instead of an experiment, and will finally give this race some final answers.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
09/14/2009 (21 weeks ago)
The Searl effect generator (SEG)is doing this very effectively.

You don't have to use physical motion to achieve the same resulse.
(MEG) You just have to feed the electrical energy back for multiple levels of electron amplification.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
09/14/2009 (21 weeks ago)
Well instead of you folks trying to prove to each other how smart you are by running each other down .....I think helping each other with all your smarts and knowledge would be so much more productive.

For instance a magnet is what nature has created as the answer to amplification of the electron an manipulation of the electromagnetic field.

Magnet = amplifier
vortex = capacitive discharge
elecrtric arc = total direct discharge(dead short)
thunder storm = capacitive build up

.....if you wish to use magnets to produce a sustainable mechanical source of torque you must use the amplified energy(electrons)to produce a usefull electromagnetic field. Take the higher energy electrons and use the magnet to amplify that electrical energy and do this untill you reach an energy state high enough to feed back to the original magnet used to create the energy in the first step.

There is more then enough energy in the motion of electron to sustain this whole process.
smartalec44
09/12/2009 (21 weeks ago)
Look you BOZOS.You are continually going off topic.Sterling wants to know Do you think an all-magnet motor (no electrical input) is possible?

You had better believe the MIB(Men In Black) are monitoring this thread to pounce on anyone who knows what they are writing about.They will trace you through all your phony usernames back to your computer.

They have special devices that amplify their remote viewing actions and will be able to zap your computer and mind the next time you log on. BEWARE JOCKOS!
guest
09/12/2009 (21 weeks ago)
i dont mind getting abducted by aliens. at least i will finally meet the cretures who i strongly believe is responsible for our mongrel breed, human race's stupidity. i dont believe we are from this world at all, our body maybe made out of monkeys but we are diffinitely not naturaly from this world, this planet did not came up with an equation to destroy its own self. the eqaution of this nature is simply the shit of this planet killing those extra energies it doesnt need, it certainly did not crap a snake just so it can bite back.

guest
09/12/2009 (21 weeks ago)
>"even a stupid idea is an idea"
>"NOTHING" it is happening because of persons like you

ohh please those are my lines, you are a little late boy. go read some of my comments months ago, we are on the same side you idiot! ive been commenting here simply to protect those who has imagination. now go on keep thinking and think harder, i have your back.

and just for everyone to know, not to compete with you because we are on the same side but for the record. i can think harder, further, deeper than you, i can imagine things you can never be able to reach, i can think soo deep it turns into an equation, a pattern, it will connect and becomes a whole world of its own. i can imagine soo deep i can break the bounderies of its meaning. i can even imagine your imagination.

now,.. im not stopping you from thinking, please think, its soo good when a human thinks. its the hardest thing a mind can do.
now go on guest12345 start thinking
guest12345
09/11/2009 (21 weeks ago)
What's a magnet?
A magnet is a super conductor at room temperature for a limited time>>>>>>
guest12345
09/11/2009 (21 weeks ago)
I'd like to address the Gentlemen or the Lady who wrote the following:
hey little boys im back!! im back to tell all of you how stupid you all are. specially to those to those who has a brain nailed on a book, mind in a box (little box, actually little tiny box)with a security combination lock worser than the richiest bank in the world.
no matter how smart you all sound like or tried to sound like, theres one thing i can tell all of you for sure, 'NOTHING' is going to happen, 'NOTHING' is going to be achieve in all your discussions. you people only come here for one reason only, to feel good about yourselves! writting down things that make sense, feeling important. let me tell you something people, you people dont know shit, even if you do, you dont have the right power to do anything about it. like ive said in the beggining, power is what matters, politics, money is all there is to this world and the rest of you are just shit pawns, puppets, slaves you name it, wether you like it or not.

Now, all what you wrote is an insult towards all of us, but I don't take it seriously. It tells me that you need some education of etiquette, and the statement you wrote "NOTHING" it is happening because of persons like you, who believe that we can't make any changes.
So don't waste our time, even a stupid idea is an idea, if you can't cope with it leave us alone thinkers, because we're not in that small tiny box, actually you are, looking through the window, but not seeing the bigger picture.
Respectfully.Guest12345.
So are we proceed with this topic or we again give the chance to "DIVIDE AND RULE"?
smartalec44
09/11/2009 (21 weeks ago)

guest
09/11/2009
hey little boys im back!! im back to tell all of you how stupid you all are. specially to those to those who has a brain nailed on a book, mind in a box (little box).

Welcome back GHETTO ENGLISH GENTLEMAN.You can be so elegant in spite of your syntax errors.

Can I ask where you disappeared to?Prison,drug withdrawal center,alien abduction etc.

You aren't perhaps that Mylow gentleman Jose Enrique Concepcion hiding out from the MIB(Men in Black)

Explorer wants to know what a magnet is?
guest
09/11/2009 (21 weeks ago)
hey little boys im back!! im back to tell all of you how stupid you all are. specially to those to those who has a brain nailed on a book, mind in a box (little box, actually little tiny box)with a security combination lock worser than the richiest bank in the world.
no matter how smart you all sound like or tried to sound like, theres one thing i can tell all of you for sure, 'NOTHING' is going to happen, 'NOTHING' is going to be achieve in all your discussions. you people only come here for one reason only, to feel good about yourselves! writting down things that make sense, feeling important. let me tell you something people, you people dont know shit, even if you do, you dont have the right power to do anything about it. like ive said in the beggining, power is what matters, politics, money is all there is to this world and the rest of you are just shit pawns, puppets, slaves you name it, wether you like it or not.



smartalec44
09/10/2009 (21 weeks ago)
It seems like the activity in this topic is drying up.
For kicks,I initiated another question: Has Shadow Govt. Built Underground Bases & Tunnels Criss-Crossing The Globe Using Particle Beam Technology? If your bored why not join the discussion at:
http://bit.ly/4yayLp
smartalec44
09/09/2009 (21 weeks ago)
I came across an interesting pdf downloadable ditty on Chas. Campbell over unity devices.

It explained the (CoE)Law of Conservation of Energy-energy cannot be created or destroyed. It can only change from one form to another.(PPM) perpetual motion machines are not possible according to these stuffy conservative dufus's.

Magnetic field is caused by the motion of electrons.Permanent magnet is not the source of energy.It induces changes in the motion of electrons changing their orbits and hence energy levels.There can be energy exchanges with the surroundings.The energy comes from rearrangement of the orbits of the electrons and exchanges with the surroundings such as light,heat,etc.

Gravitational and electron energy can be LEAD OUT via pulse force at resonance on oscillating,vibrating,rotating or flux change systems.

The 32 page pdf file explains the various pulse force systems including the solid state application.

See the following site for the download:
http://bit.ly/2ol8BS
JunE
09/07/2009 (22 weeks ago)
The all-magnet motor as designed or invented by people who have the technical and scientific knowledge do not belong to any of the types of perpetual motion machines as classified in thermodynamic studies ( of the first type , second type... whatever). The reasons are:
1. It does not generate energy from nothing. The input energy is of the electromagnetic radiation form which the magnet derives from it's surrounding (please see previous posting by JunE)
2. The mechanical output energy is always less than the input, taking into account the mechanical friction, windage and other losses.

Perpetual motion machines as described in thermodynamics references are impossible but all-magnet motors utilizing free or naturally available radiation from everything in the environment (you may check this using the Stefan-Boltzmann Equation) are possible, and may in fact have already been successfully invented.
explorer
09/04/2009 (22 weeks ago)
>You still haven't disclosed whether your from this Earth or an alien or possibly have worked with the shadow government on free energy devices.

I hereby deny any association with the shadow government. I also deny being an alien or having any contacts with aliens. Let it be known that these denials are official and will be entered into the official record.
smartalec44
09/04/2009 (22 weeks ago)
Explorer:
I plead the 5th amendment on the smarteralec impersonation but did not utter the initial crude remarks about O'Bama.

You still haven't disclosed whether your from this Earth or an alien or possibly have worked with the shadow government on free energy devices.

I believe your using an alias of THE GOD PARTICLE on the magniwork generator thread since your also discussing perpetual motion but have saved us the cat and buttered toast reference. See:http://bit.ly/a31pZ

In any case,it seems like most of the curious have forgotten about the site.
explorer
09/04/2009 (22 weeks ago)
smartalec44, you should be able to tell from the different writing styles that I'm not the person named "guest with a brain". And unlike "guest from the third world" I don't believe you can achieve perpetual motion, with or without magnets. I didn't even know who FM was until I looked it up just now. He seems to be an inventor who wants to remain anonymous.

If anybody is doing any impersonating its you, smartalec44, when you impersonated me when I was still using the alias "smarteralec". There's no point in denying it because its very obvious.
smartalec44
09/03/2009 (22 weeks ago)
guest from the third world.Are you Explorer alias guest with a brain alias smarteralec.If you keep changing your handle,there will be no continuity of your teaching.

Communication on this site has dried up.If you want to avoid friction, why don't you explain how to achieve free energy from solid state technology.

Are you by chance non-human from a real third world beyond Earth and amusing yourself by trying to teach chimps?

Do you lack a digestive system and nourish yourself by absorbing human and cow parts liquid through your grey skin?
guest from the 'third world'
09/03/2009 (22 weeks ago)
oops,forgive me,i thought discussions were going about Magnets and Perpetual motion here,but you all continue your quarrels!
guest from the 'third world'
09/03/2009 (22 weeks ago)
magnets alone can help in producing perpetual motion,but what with all the other members of the design?what with the metallic spindles?how do you imagine overcoming the force of friction?

thermodynamics is not a one man's invention..it is a science based on observation and logic..it is a fact of nature...it is natures way of telling how the most basic of the most unpredictable things sum up to give a virtually totally probable predictable model...thermodynamics is an evolution of thoughts of hundreds of minds,each finer than the sum of all the minds to ever post on this blog...and all of these gild minds say the same thing,that perpetual motion is impossible....and now,some lame minds come to argue over that....FM's foolishly simple and clearly stupid model of a perpetual motion...may God enlighten them,literally!
guest from the 'third world'
09/03/2009 (22 weeks ago)
magnets alone can help in producing perpetual motion,but what with all the other members of the design?what with the metallic spindles?how do you imagine overcoming the force of friction?

thermodynamics is not a one man's invention..it is a science based on observation and logic..it is a fact of nature...it is natures way of telling how the most basic of the most unpredictable things sum up to give a virtually totally probable predictable model...thermodynamics is an evolution of thoughts of hundreds of minds,each finer than the sum of all the minds to ever post on this blog...and all of these gild minds say the same thing,that perpetual motion is impossible....and now,some lame minds come to argue over that....FM's foolishly simple and clearly stupid model of a perpetual motion...may God enlighten them,literally!
ciao
08/31/2009 (23 weeks ago)
it run only witn circular magnet

and it start without my intervent. i must only complete the scheme.

i don't know if it stopping than some month.

i don't know if it stopping because the magnet usure.

i work 3 years to trove the proper sequence.

I'd like to talk about the project and improve their logic

i haven' t patent it.

the secret of my motor is that don't work on one plane. the rotation is complete with more plans.

it's very simple and honestly

I do not understand why nobody or almost don' t do it with more plans.

ciao and thank you for your comment

if you comment please simple english
and sorry for my language

ciao ciao








smartalec44
08/27/2009 (23 weeks ago)
Ciao

You have to explain with more detail about how it works.
Does it produce more output than input.(Will it light a bulb?)
How long will it run before the magnets lose their power.
What power source are you using(battery or manual start by hand)
After it is started,will it continally run and light a bulb if you disconnect the electrical power source?

And if it truly produces more output than input(lights the bulb) and doesn't drain the goodness out of the permanet magnets and runs for weeks with the initial power source(battery) disconnected you had better run for cover from the MIB(Men In Black)
ciao
08/26/2009 (23 weeks ago)
Scuse me for my englisch
i don' t speek very well.

I have built a magnet motor with only magnet

it function very well and don 't stopping.
it is possible but i can do some expeiment to say that is possible create energy

if you comment please simple english
and sorry for my language

ciao ciao
explorer
08/24/2009 (24 weeks ago)
>I gave guest#1 the answer back on this comment date below in this thread.....now if you understood what a magnet is you would have identified it then, but there is a chance you missed it. Go back to that point and read.....then you tell me what a magnet is.....fair enough:-)

Guest seeking, in response to guest #1.0 you talk about vortices such as tornadoes which transfer energy to achieve equilibrium. And later you posted links to videos of sunspots. In some of the videos you can see the sunspot acting like a vortex that absorbs the surrounding material. But you haven't actually defined what a magnet is. Maybe the closest you came to a definition was this:

>....as 1 electron has no physical effects, but take billions of them and orient them collectively they will manifest a polarity: north and south pole only because each and every individual electron is polarized

Are you saying that a magnet is a state of disequilibrium where there is an accumulation of electrons with a certain polarity? We know that each electron has a magnetic moment and is therefore affected by a magnetic field. We also know that you can create a magnet by moving electrons through a conductor. And you can create a voltage by moving a magnet along a conductor.

Well let me see if I can summarize what you're trying to say. A magnet or set of magnets can be constructed to work like a vortex (like a sunspot for example) to concentrate and redirect electrons to produce an electric current. Since the magnet is also a source of electrons and in disequilibrium, it can be used as a source of energy because of the tendency towards equilibrium. Or maybe you can use the magnet as a vortex to absorb electrons from the surroundings the way sunspots absorb matter including electrons. Is that about right? Perhaps you could summarize your idea in one paragraph.

>Always remember it takes an electron to interact with an electron.

What about other particles such as protons? They can also interact with electrons, otherwise there would be no atoms and we wouldn't exist either.

>What the heck is fire????? Any stabs at this questions?????

An ionized gas (plasma) similar to what stars like the sun are made of. Most of the universe is in the plasma state.

>Fire is oxidized electron exchange by excited electron friction slowed to the visible spectrum speed of light .....freed from there atomic bonds....they regain equilibrium speed and become invisible.

You're right about fire being caused by oxidation (through combustion), but I don't quite understand what you mean by visible spectrum speed of light.

>What is your explanation for visible light spectrum fire?

Some of the atoms in fire are in an excited energy state. When electrons in those atoms undergo transitions from a higher to a lower energy state the atoms release photons. We can see them if they're in the visible range.
smartalec44
08/22/2009 (24 weeks ago)
I just read the complete thread on the Mylow motor and found it interesting.I found the whiners about the $25 plans petty.

However I did find Sterling publishing the true identity of Mylow a bit unsettling just in case the MIB would now want to eliminate him because of his public accessibilty unless he went undercover.
Since it is already known on the internet see:
http://bit.ly/mhU0Y
Jose E. Enrique Concepcion(AKA Mylow)
smartalec44
08/22/2009 (24 weeks ago)
Firstly I didn't make that first crude racist comment about O'Bama.And I appreciate smarteralec using a new name explorer.

>guest seeking real understanding of energy

When you made that original comment about a cathode ray tube directing or controlling electrons I figured that had something to do with what a magnet is.

A magnet is a traffic cop for electrons.And maybe it can also control light waves and gravity in conjunction with some other variable.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/22/2009 (24 weeks ago)
Now once you understand what a magnet is you'll be able to understand how super conduction can be created in a material by chilling it.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/22/2009 (24 weeks ago)
Explorer....

Always remember it takes an electron to interact with an electron.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/22/2009 (24 weeks ago)
Now I know I'm speaking with explorer.....I like your new ID name much better....now we proceed to have a cordial discussion.....great!

explorer 08/21/2009 (5 minutes ago)
>That's fine, we'll talk about magnets. When you say that something can't be defined by how it reacts (how it behaves?), that's what most scientists used to think, but not anymore.<

>Now everything is defined by how it behaves.
But you said that you already know what a magnet is. What is your definition?<

I gave guest#1 the answer back on this comment date below in this thread.....now if you understood what a magnet is you would have identified it then, but there is a chance you missed it. Go back to that point and read.....then you tell me what a magnet is.....fair enough:-)
Oh....and at this point I told guest#1 that electrons spin faster than light speed. Then I named a few things that occur in nature for us to replicate. One of those items was the magnet!
Go look you'll identify it.

>guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/10/2009 (1 week ago)
guest #1.0
on 08/08/2009 (2 days ago) you said:
If you're talking about a CRT (cathode ray tube) the image is created by electron guns shooting electrons on the fluorescent screen (cathode rays = beam of electrons). You can control the path of electrons with a magnet.<

Very accurate statement.....only for one reason.... what a magnet is!
explorer
08/21/2009 (24 weeks ago)
So I'll be using the alias "explorer" instead of "smarteralec" to avoid any more conflict.

Guest seeking wrote:
>what have you found out about what a magnet is? We need a definitive definition....not an explanation of what it does for you can not define something by how it reacts for how it reacts is because of what it is

Ok, so you didn't want to answer the question about the flashlight on the airplane or prove your claim that electrons spin faster than the speed of light. That's fine, we'll talk about magnets. When you say that something can't be defined by how it reacts (how it behaves?), that's what most scientists used to think, but not anymore. Now everything is defined by how it behaves.
But you said that you already know what a magnet is. What is your definition?
smarteralec
08/21/2009 (24 weeks ago)
>I'm also sick of unidentified guests and multi-bogus aliases.smarteralec bastardizes my name which I initially find insulting but later find amusing.

Look smartalec44, if the alias "smarteralec" bothers you so much, I'll use another one. I was just trying to be funny, that's all. I won't use that alias anymore. Satisfied?
smarteralec
08/21/2009 (24 weeks ago)
>Well,tell me what a magnet is. I'm the professor and I want you dummies to >google the question.

>Jerry,Elaine,George,& Kramer went to the executives at CBS to discuss a new >show about free energy.Members of the Bilderberger group silenced that >idea.They don't want the masses even thinking about the subject.

>Sorry,Kramer got a little carried away about a black man in the oval office.


Somebody else posted this under the name "smarteralec" but it certainly wasn't me. First of all, I wouldn't make an idiotic racist remark like that. And secondly, though I've used a bit of sarcasm, I don't go around insulting people and calling them dummies.

I want to have a cordial discussion just like guest seeking does, even though we have different opinions. I think what we have here is a troll who is a racist jerk and who wants to create chaos around here. If you ask me, its probably smartalec44 because this all started when he showed up.
smartalec44
08/21/2009 (24 weeks ago)
To:guest seeking real understanding of energy
To:smarteralec

How many aliases have you boys submitted under?

I'm also sick of unidentified guests and multi-bogus aliases.smarteralec bastardizes my name which I initially find insulting but later find amusing.

I also find that one guest that continually uses the singular and plural of subject and predicate incorrectly an enigma.
He reminds me of ghetto english but in spite of that flaw has an eloquence and intelligence in his writings.

Guest with a brain and all the aliases is brilliant at times but stifling to progress and creativity.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/21/2009 (24 weeks ago)
smarteralec 08/21/2009 (1 hour ago)
>Jerry,Elaine,George,& Kramer went to the executives at CBS to discuss a new show about free energy.Members of the Bilderberger group silenced that idea.They don't want the masses even thinking about the subject.<

Free energy would make a great show for say the science channel....I'm sure it would would draw a tremendous viewer rating! If you can build choppers .....why not energy machines?.....I'm sure most of America would be interested in the subject.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/21/2009 (24 weeks ago)
You know it's very difficult to carry on any semblance of a conversation with any degree of intelligence with nut jobs leaving personal feelings and hate thoughts towards any body.

This is an educational thread not a personal feelings dumping grounds.

Please take it some were else........thanks!

Who ever smartalec44 from 08/21/2009 (42 minutes ago)..... I am a different person then smarteralec.

I was asking him a question and made a statement about his questions to me.

Now just prior to your post smarteralec posted at 08/21/2009 (56 minutes ago)....

>Well,tell me what a magnet is. I'm the professor and I want you dummies to Google the question.<

I'm now asking smarteralec did you Google what a magnet is? ....and what did you find?
I don't care if it's an answer from magnets for dummies or not....what have you found out about what a magnet is? We need a definitive definition....not an explanation of what it does for you can not define something by how it reacts for how it reacts is because of what it is.

If there is any more nut case comments like Kramer left.....I'm done with this thread.....just giving all of you a heads up.
.....and smarteralec....I'm not the thread police....I just have better ways of spending my time then hanging out with mental midgets. I'm in this for a nice enlightening conversation with others that have a thought process.....that's all.
smartalec44
08/21/2009 (24 weeks ago)
guest seeking real understanding of energy

08/20/2009 (21 hours ago)
smarteralec......
Just curious......
Do you have any designs or inventions of your own? .....or any specific area of interest near and dear to you? Is your expertise in the sciences or any specifics?

You ask good question.

This a case of a person asking himself a question and then complementing himself on the question.

This is more confusing than 20 people using the same guest identifier.
smarteralec
08/21/2009 (24 weeks ago)
Well,tell me what a magnet is. I'm the professor and I want you dummies to google the question.

Jerry,Elaine,George,& Kramer went to the executives at CBS to discuss a new show about free energy.Members of the Bilderberger group silenced that idea.They don't want the masses even thinking about the subject.

Sorry,Kramer got a little carried away about a black man in the oval office.
guest
08/21/2009 (24 weeks ago)
>FUCK OBAMA
>FUCK OBAMA
>FUCK OBAMA

>DEATH TO OBAMA

>FUCK OBAMA


This is what can happen when you have an unmoderated forum. It makes it possible for the sickos to come out of the woodwork and post their sick messages anonymously. I hope this loser doesn't try to carry out his threat or incite anybody else to carry it out.
guest
08/21/2009 (24 weeks ago)
FUCK OBAMA
FUCK OBAMA
FUCK OBAMA

DEATH TO OBAMA

FUCK OBAMA
smarteralec
08/20/2009 (24 weeks ago)
>Just because you science bozos weren't smart enough to be recruited and included in the loop by our secret shadow government,doesn't make the knowledge less probable.

>smarteralec should change his name back to Dung with a brain.

>John Hutchinson uses ultra-high electromagnetic frequencies to transform matter."Hutchinson effect" a form of levitation by translational movements where objects become lighter and move around.


Lighten up, will you (pun not intended :)). You're taking this whole thing too seriously. John Hutchison's claims have all been disproved. They fall into the category of folklore, not science. He even admitted that some of his claims and demonstrations (including magnetic levitation) were phony setups. If you choose to believe these phony claims, well that's too bad.
smarteralec
08/20/2009 (24 weeks ago)
Guest seeking, the videos are about sunspots, regions of magnetic activity that block some of the radiation and therefore look darker than the surrounding material. But we're changing the subject here. How about answering those questions? Proof that electrons spin faster than the speed of light, and how fast is the beam from the flashlight on the airplane? If you don't have the answers, that's ok, I won't hold you to it. And if I can't prove that I have an anti-gravity spacecraft, then I will no longer claim that I have one. Do you see what I'm getting at?
smartalec44
08/20/2009 (24 weeks ago)
I didn't realize that spouting out some conspiracy theorists remarks would result in my complete lambasting by a few know it all phonies.
All I am saying is why are you wasting your time on pointless rhetoric when all the answers about free energy and antigravitics have been known for decades.

Just because you science bozos weren't smart enough to be recruited and included in the loop by our secret shadow government,doesn't make the knowledge less probable.

smarteralec should change his name back to Dung with a brain.

John Hutchinson uses ultra-high electromagnetic frequencies to transform matter."Hutchinson effect" a form of levitation by translational movements where objects become lighter and move around.

Through harnessing electromagnetic frequencies,metals levitate and transmute into unknown metal types.Through the activated zero point energy fields and interdimensional gravitational waves,Hutchinson shows us stainless steel bars falling apart and transmuting into unknown metals and objects.We see a 70lb cannon ball becoming weightless and floating.(Antigravity spacecrafts anyone)
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/20/2009 (24 weeks ago)
smarteralec......
Just curious......
Do you have any designs or inventions of your own? .....or any specific area of interest near and dear to you? Is your expertise in the sciences or any specifics?

You ask good question.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/20/2009 (24 weeks ago)
smarteralec
08/20/2009 (2 hours ago)
>Let me ask you this, guest seeking. Suppose you're in an airplane traveling north at 1000 mi/h and you have a flashlight. How fast (relative to the earth) does the beam from the flashlight travel when you point it north and how fast does it travel when pointed in the opposite direction, south?<

What is your take on the answer?
If you feel you know the answer to your question.....have you experimented to arrive at your answer or is there a text book answer from others research?
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/20/2009 (24 weeks ago)
smarteralec

08/20/2009 (3 hours ago)
>....and yet another great image to drive home the sun dark spots and there nature.
Nice youtube videos (the ones that work anyway).<

I noticed a gap in two of the links....if you close the gap the link will work.....when pasting the link some how there being altered.

May I ask what did you extrapolate from the videos and images you could view?

I'm setting up shop to fabricate components to be tested. I will machine what I can and out source the rest. Do you have any skills to offer for the prototype construction?
Plan to work on them over the next few years.
smarteralec
08/20/2009 (24 weeks ago)
Let me ask you this, guest seeking. Suppose you're in an airplane traveling north at 1000 mi/h and you have a flashlight. How fast (relative to the earth) does the beam from the flashlight travel when you point it north and how fast does it travel when pointed in the opposite direction, south?
smarteralec
08/20/2009 (24 weeks ago)
>....and yet another great image to drive home the sun dark spots and there nature.

Nice youtube videos (the ones that work anyway).

>Show me that they don't spin faster than the speed of light.

I don't have to show you that. You made a claim, so its up to you to prove it. Once you've proved it and have those prototypes ready, then I'll show you the spacecraft. Any idea when that will happen?
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/20/2009 (24 weeks ago)
Guest asking about magnet and energy.....(for lack of an ID name)

I'm not the least bit excited.....only wish to have civil conversations with like minded individuals that may have an interest in a better understanding of the nature of the electron and magnets that wishes to offer there input.

If any of the the thought process I'm offering is of any interest to you please feel free comment.

Do you have any personal thoughts to offer on this subject?

Can you offer any answers?

I don't have have all the answers.....I only offer my personal observation of physics.

Berating others to elevate ones self will accomplish nothing.....this type of interaction can only be counter productive.....enough said?

....now ....if your interested......The key to my turbine is vortex compression.....and it's very easy to achive.

What I've come up with is a dynamic pressure relief valve.

At present steam turbine design are only using a fraction of the energy available from the change of state of matter....liquid to gas.

My design is considerably more efficient.
guest
08/19/2009 (24 weeks ago)
>-------------------------------------------------- ALL OF THIS TYPE OF INTERACTION IS COMPLETELY COUNTER PRODUCTIVE SO PLEASE TAKE THIS TYPE CONVERSATION TO A DIFFERENT THREAD AND STAY THERE UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE PART OF THE EQUATION! ALL OF US HERE THANK YOU! WE NEED THOUGHTFULL QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ONLY!

guest seeking, calm down a bit, there arent exactly any rules in here is there, and your not the police in here either. your entitle to your beliefs so go on and make your comments, so are all the individuals in here making comments. its just a matter of how are we going to discuss it?

can i ask you a question again, this questions your asking about magnet and energy, you already know the answers to this right, so why exactly are you seeking for answers when you already know the answers to your own questions?
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/19/2009 (24 weeks ago)
....and yet another great image to drive home the sun dark spots and there nature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL_owwQn6sc
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/19/2009 (24 weeks ago)
image link correction

http://www.flickr.com/photos/
11304375%40N07/2820012601
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/19/2009 (24 weeks ago)
If you look very carefully you can see the in flow of the solar flare into the sunspot in this video. I will explain why this should be of interest and is of significance for our solar engine the sun.

http://www.youtube.com/watchv=FJtibv3POi8&feature=related
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/19/2009 (24 weeks ago)
Vortical flow on the sun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk9wor70NyA
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/19/2009 (24 weeks ago)
look at the vortex that fill these sun spots....they suck in electrons from space to replace the core supply to be compressed to replace those energized and propelled into space as heat and light energy across the spectrum.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19T6U4-WSP Q&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=U1uCNo-9_N0&feature=related
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/19/2009 (24 weeks ago)
picture close up of solar flare....will give you a video link to better understand the true nature of the sun spots.....you should be able to grasp why there is a cycle to them.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11304375%40N07/ 2820012601
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/19/2009 (24 weeks ago)
smarteralec......

What do you think or know sun spots are?

guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/19/2009 (24 weeks ago)

>smarteralec
08/19/2009 (1 hour ago)
>If this is so when can we take a ride or see a flight demo? .....and where?

Glad to show it to you. As soon as you show a working prototype of your turbine that burns no fuel and runs on steam, or your frictionless motor that will replace rocket motor thrust, as well as clear evidence that electrons can spin "faster than the speed of light".<

As I stated before......

>Because of my understanding of what makes an electron spin I have been about to design a turbine which burns no fuel just like the electron. It just needs an R & D fabrication.
It runs on steam on a closed system.
I've also designed an IF motor (internal force)
It can propel with no exterior friction.
This design will replace rocket motor thrust.<

There is no prototype fabricated yet. They need R & D fabrication.

.....on the other hand you state you have a working model.....I do not doubt you.....just would like to go along for a ride!

Show me that they don't spin faster than the speed of light.

I can give you supporting evidence that they do and have given examples how to make electrons visible. Fire is oxidized electron exchange by excited electron friction slowed to the visible spectrum speed of light .....freed from there atomic bonds....they regain equilibrium speed and become invisible.
What is your explanation for visible light spectrum fire?
smarteralec
08/19/2009 (24 weeks ago)
>If this is so when can we take a ride or see a flight demo? .....and where?

Glad to show it to you. As soon as you show a working prototype of your turbine that burns no fuel and runs on steam, or your frictionless motor that will replace rocket motor thrust, as well as clear evidence that electrons can spin "faster than the speed of light".
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/19/2009 (24 weeks ago)
>g.u.e.s.t.
08/19/2009 (2 hours ago)
when the government says kiss my ass your not only kissing it your licking it. for all we know they probably have

Watch out, he might be a government agent! You might be under surveillance at this very minute! Better not be too hard on the government because where else are you gonna get your welfare check.

guest

08/19/2009 (7 hours ago)
smartle44, your mind is just unbelievable. when the government says kiss my ass your not only kissing it your licking it. for all we know they probably have, everything you see in public is all just a face. how old are you again smartlec44, because if you are quite old already and until now you still havent notice what the government are capable of and what it is they want then think again when you say the word fool, because if you havent notice all this, your not only a fool, your a stupid idiot fool. now go on and keep kissing the governments ass.<
-------------------------------------------------- ALL OF THIS TYPE OF INTERACTION IS COMPLETELY COUNTER PRODUCTIVE SO PLEASE TAKE THIS TYPE CONVERSATION TO A DIFFERENT THREAD AND STAY THERE UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE PART OF THE EQUATION! ALL OF US HERE THANK YOU! WE NEED THOUGHTFULL QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ONLY!
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/19/2009 (24 weeks ago)

smartalec44

08/18/2009 (23 hours ago)
>I reading this thread a little at a time and am still in mid-June.
Me thinks that the cast of the Beverly Hillbillies(Jed Clampett,Granny,& Jethro Bodine) are one in the same person.<

No....Jethero only responded to Uncle Jed and Granny.....Jethero is guest seeking.

smarteralec
08/18/2009 (16 hours ago)
>The government built too many of them and recently had to (secretly) auction some of them off. Managed to snap one up at a good price and its sitting right here in my backyard. Works quite well. I can zip around the galaxy from planet to planet, no problem at all. It uses free energy so I never have to refuel it. Makes you wonder why they're working so hard on developing renewable energy sources. We've got free energy anti-gravity spacecraft here and now. Fools!<

If this is so when can we take a ride or see a flight demo? .....and where?

>By 1950,Soviets were deeply into the development of what they called "energetics" or Scalar electromagnetics.
I'm sure our shadow(secret)government has done likewise and after 60 years of technological development are flying around in anti-gravity spacecraft.
The same can be said of the multitude of free energy(ZeroPointEnergy) devices being kept from us.<

I do agree!

Now do you have any input about magnets and there application to the creation of energy..... can you shed any light on the subject?
g.u.e.s.t.
08/19/2009 (24 weeks ago)
>when the government says kiss my ass your not only kissing it your licking it. for all we know they probably have

Watch out, he might be a government agent! You might be under surveillance at this very minute! Better not be too hard on the government because where else are you gonna get your welfare check.
guest
08/19/2009 (24 weeks ago)
smartle44, your mind is just unbelievable. when the government says kiss my ass your not only kissing it your licking it. for all we know they probably have, everything you see in public is all just a face. how old are you again smartlec44, because if you are quite old already and until now you still havent notice what the government are capable of and what it is they want then think again when you say the word fool, because if you havent notice all this, your not only a fool, your a stupid idiot fool. now go on and keep kissing the governments ass.
smarteralec
08/18/2009 (24 weeks ago)
>I'm sure our shadow(secret)government has done likewise and after 60 years of technological development are flying around in anti-gravity spacecraft.

The government built too many of them and recently had to (secretly) auction some of them off. Managed to snap one up at a good price and its sitting right here in my backyard. Works quite well. I can zip around the galaxy from planet to planet, no problem at all. It uses free energy so I never have to refuel it. Makes you wonder why they're working so hard on developing renewable energy sources. We've got free energy anti-gravity spacecraft here and now. Fools!
smartalec44
08/18/2009 (24 weeks ago)
I reading this thread a little at a time and am still in mid-June.
Me thinks that the cast of the Beverly Hillbillies(Jed Clampett,Granny,& Jethro Bodine) are one in the same person.Dung with a Brain appears to be a commy pinko.

Maxwell's Theory(Time of Civil War)was bastarized by Heaviside to exclude localized effect of electromagnetics on gravity.Einstein wrote general theory of relativity without knowing Maxwell's original work which indicated the unification of gravitation and electromagnetics and the ease with which local spacetime could be electrogravitationally curved locally and engineered.

We should have been developing antigravity spaceships from the 1860's on.

With the Soviets knowledge of unlimited relativity,they would have made the connection to electrogravitation-Maxwell's original theory which included a localized effect of EM(electromagnetics) on gravity.

By 1950,Soviets were deeply into the development of what they called "energetics" or Scalar electromagnetics.

I'm sure our shadow(secret)government has done likewise and after 60 years of technological development are flying around in anti-gravity spacecraft.

The same can be said of the multitude of free energy(ZeroPointEnergy) devices being kept from us.
guest
08/18/2009 (25 weeks ago)
>Then discuss your theory with others unless you feel you would like to share your info with others publicly.

guest seeking, i dont mind discussing this magnetic field with you, but not here. at this point i can only explain magnetic field. it can explain many things but i keep getting stuck when it comes to the system of a single atom. im still trying to figure out the behaviour of a single electron, it only becomes clear when theres more than one system.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/17/2009 (25 weeks ago)
guest
08/17/2009 (14 minutes ago)

....and which guest might you be?
Try using an identifier name...thanks
guest
08/17/2009 (25 weeks ago)
He seems to be Jethro Bodine from about 8 weeks ago. Notice that he keeps asking what a magnet is.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/17/2009 (25 weeks ago)
guest with a brain

08/17/2009 (1 hour ago)
So are you Richard from Magnacoaster or are you just giving their links as an example?

Just offering this site as an example.
guest with a brain
08/17/2009 (25 weeks ago)
So are you Richard from Magnacoaster or are you just giving their links as an example?
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/17/2009 (25 weeks ago)
You'll see my point about amplification of the electrons power using an electron amplifier (magnet!)
Go check these links out to get a better understanding of what can be created with magnets.
All you have to do is have a better understanding what the materials and components are that your using so you'll know how to apply them to achieve
the desired results.

Because of my understanding of what makes an electron spin I have been about to design a turbine which burns no fuel just like the electron. It just needs an R & D fabrication.
It runs on steam on a closed system.

I've also designed an IF motor (internal force)
It can propel with no exterior friction.
This design will replace rocket motor thrust.



http://pesn.com/2009/07/10/950155 2_Magnacoaster_Vorktex_products_nearing/

http://www.vorktex.ca/
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/16/2009 (25 weeks ago)
guest from 08/11/2009 (4 days ago)
Go to http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/meg.htm and check it out.
Tom Bearden is not crazy.

No.....Tom Bearden is not crazy at all. The MEG system is nothing more then a means to force a state of imbalance in an electromagnet field and amplification of the input pressure using natures electron amplifier...the magnet! He has only create a first stage amplified yield of energy.

He needs to send that yield of electron energy back to the magnetic amplification process to yield greater quantities of energy.....just like you send a guitar pickup signal to a pre amp then send it to the power amp.

The more you pass the electron energy threw the magnetic field the greater the energy state and volume or electron flow.....like forcing water molecules out the nozzle of a hose.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/16/2009 (25 weeks ago)
08/14/2009 (1 day ago)
Guest...where do I start?

I recommend that you first transcribe your notes in a very detailed fashion then when finished mail them to your self registered mail (do not open this mail...save for the future to validate your concept) from the US postal service then copy right the same documents. Then discuss your theory with others unless you feel you would like to share your info with others publicly.
I do understand what your trying to tell us....my take is that from the micro to the macro every thing is fractals of the same principle mechanism that sustains matter in motion....I'm sure you have some smoking gun to link them together.

I can link sun spots to electrons....the core of planets to electrons.....the EMP from an atomic blast to electrons....fire to electrons....the incandescent light bulb to the sun....high voltage lighting to the sun.....and all are very explainable.

I would like to have a software program created or maybe it already exists....that can be used for deep field astronomy that can distinguish a pattern to link galaxy's together in stings that will prove there is a helical pattern linking them together....again a macro picture of the subatomic world of the electron.

Electrons have 2 vortical components while they try to suck each other in they form a polarized toroidal shape that flattens out in 2 plains (spinning faster then the speed of light!) this state of equilibrium that is created is elastic in nature. as the electron is slowed down by friction do to compression of other electrons they slow down (get smaller and more self compressed) to the frequency spectrum of visible light and give off heat energy. When they decompress they speed back up cool off and are no longer visable!

All the planets compress electrons (they have hot cores!) and all the stars compress electrons.....light bulb filaments compress electrons......even a grinding wheel compress electrons while removing metal from metal ripping apart there atomic bonds....so you end up with a shower of sparks! Fire is the controlled release of electrons while an explosion is an instant relies of electrons.

It's all a very clear picture if you stand back and closely observe with an applied understand of physics.
guest
08/14/2009 (25 weeks ago)
guest seeking, where could i do my presentation for the behaviour of magnetism? and would you happen to know the progress of its research? if its still unexplaines at this point, id like to present my explaination to this behaviour. right now i can explain why galaxies, solar systems are shaped as they are, i can explain the stronger force of the north and south of the planet basicly i can explain 'gravity'. i can connect an atoms model to the planetary up to the galaxy's shape. i can explain the significance of speed. and the best part of it is that i can prove it.

where do i start?
guest
08/11/2009 (25 weeks ago)
Go to http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/meg.htm and check it out.
Tom Bearden is not crazy.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/10/2009 (26 weeks ago)
guest #1.0
on 08/08/2009 (2 days ago) you said:
If you're talking about a CRT (cathode ray tube) the image is created by electron guns shooting electrons on the fluorescent screen (cathode rays = beam of electrons). You can control the path of electrons with a magnet.

OK....then by now you should realize your viewing random electrons being propelled at the CRT for all of us to view.....the magnetic field directed them to this point so we can conclusively agree that magnets can control electron motion....but electrons are in motion all around us.....why doesn't the electrons show up on the screen from the room around us???
...maybe for the same reason there would be no sound produced from a microphone with the (amplifier) turned off???

So then what is a magnet????

Remember all things have be created for us in nature....all we need to do is observe and understand there interactions.

Look at your bath tub of water and pull the plug and watch the vortex form to drain the water in the most efficient way for nature to move fluids of all forms. Now look at a thunderstorm cell and watch the tornado form.....what do they have in common.
There both bodies of excess fluid being discharged seeking equilibrium.

Watch a lightning discharge and short a capacitor or battery or any direct short to ground discharge.....all of these things happen in nature very efficiently....all we do is observe and replicate these effects the best we possibly can.

The more we understand the dynamics and physical inner workings of these material and fluids we're trying to control the sooner we'll be able to use the energy from this natural conversion to equilibrium state ....we need to create a constant useful imbalance to harvest the energy generated as it seek equilibrium.

So we have capacitive discharge (capacitors store energy and slowly discharges to reach a state of equilibrium) and direct discharge (A direct short with instant discharge to equilibrium)....dump the tub over=lightning discharge.....pull the plug on the tub=tornado

Now 1 drop of water won't have much effect on your life, but stand in front of a flash flood stream will change your life!.....as 1 electron has no physical effects, but take billions of them and orient them collectively they will manifest a polarity: north and south pole only because each and every individual electron is polarized.
....oh did I forget to mention that electrons spin faster then the speed of light! Oh my!!!!!!!!!

So nature creates capacitors, resisters, electrons, amplifiers! .....and fire!!!!!

What the heck is fire????? Any stabs at this questions?????
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/10/2009 (26 weeks ago)
guest ohhh my god
from
08/08/2009 (1 day ago)

Thank you for your understanding and supportive comments....If you continue to monitor this thread I will reveal some interesting thought process for you to wrap your mind around. I feel you will grasp this information and provide some worth while input.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/10/2009 (26 weeks ago)
CreativeMFS

...this is the link I promised you of the water pump generator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-tXe_jnWIs
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/10/2009 (26 weeks ago)
Response to CreativeMFS
Thank you for using an Identifier guest name.
Perpetual water wheels have be created unfortunately water evaporates so you would always be adding small amounts of water to the system unless you closed the system and condensed the vapors.
There is no excess energy being generated for secondary consumption.
When I was 13 (1971)I entered the Trisec II model rocketry competition and won all 3 categories.It was at this point I realized that rocketry had many limitations. There would be no further thought process need be wasted on this technology. I felt if I continued to repeat the building and launching I would always end up with the same results....having a lot of fun, but not reaching any goals. NASA had the market cornered on rocket technology.
So my suggestion is to ponder the water wheel idea briefly and continue your search for ways to produce usable energy with any device that will produce energy in sufficient quantities for secondary uses while providing self perpetuating energy for the device to run it's self.

I'll give you a link.....watch this water pump propelled generator. The designer plugs the water pump into A/C to power up the water wheel which spins an A/C generator using a V belt and pulley system. When up to speed he unplugs the pump and plugs it into the receptacle that is powered by the generator that is propelled by the water pump. The pump continues to spin the gen and the gen continues to run the pump while continuing to light a standard 100 watt incandecent light bulb! Don't let any body tell you the creation of excess energy can not be achieved with an electro mechanical device
guest
08/09/2009 (26 weeks ago)
>Even if you are not a member of a cult, your posts definitely suggest some kind of cult influence or some other kind of indoctrination. Again, don't take this personally, but you must be getting your ideas from somewhere.

you see guest, you were wrong, you see you thought i hate people who disagrees with me when first of all im not even claiming anything. im stopping an idiot mind out there who thinks he knows it all.
guest
08/09/2009 (26 weeks ago)
>Even if you are not a member of a cult, your posts definitely suggest some kind of cult influence or some other kind of indoctrination. Again, don't take this personally, but you must be getting your ideas from somewhere.

hey i believe you guest and you do have a point, but i dont want to have to say this to you but i think i should, trust me you are not deep enough to understand where im coming from, i understand what your talking about and where your coming from and again i hate to say this to you but where your coming from is very shallow and its very easy for me to pick up your basics and where your basing your examples.

guest, if you have been reading my comments, i dont hate people who knows science. i do fully understand that each one of you are killing each other out there for a change trying to reach the unreachable pushing limits after limits and then here comes one person acting like a god who thinks he knows the bounderies and the limits of the universe or at least he thinks he knows science that he learnt from a person who thought of that idea very hard and now he thinks he knows it all. now tell me guest, do you really think that, that idea that came from a man that now became your science, is all there is to this universe and that physics you are now using is the ultimate and nothing can go beyond that? coz if not then thats exaclty my point guest, why stop and idea when you are all just trying to make a change, all this science now that you are applying in your lives now, are almost all impossible and sometimes force to not even think about some silly idea, all this physics chemistry and so on have made it this far because one person had the guts to think of the unthinkable and have reach a new level that you are now following.

now doesnt that bug you when theres a person out there whose following this impossible science right now who says that this idea is impossible, and you are all struggling out there looking for very good answer and when someome comes up with an idea that doesnt make sense then suddenly its impossible.

now guest are you thinking? this is why i understand you guest but you just havent reach my minds level yet. you are making comments after comments without thinking deeply, you are repeating history, i hate to say this but if there are more superior minds out there looking at you human race, you all look like an idot, you open your mouth before you use your mind.

and guest lets not take this personally okay, but lets all do look back and learn our lessons. its about time anyway.

CreativeMFS
08/09/2009 (26 weeks ago)
what if you were to have a waterwheel that powered a pump that pumped water above the wheel that powered the waterwheel. is that possible? like a perpetual fountain. Would the gear ratios be possible?
guest
08/09/2009 (26 weeks ago)
I hope you won't take this personally, guest, but you sound very much like a member of a cult like the Church of Scientology, with its many references to psychology and the human mind. Members of that cult are known for their aggressive opposition to science and just general aggressiveness towards anyone who doesn't agree with them. They believe that they are in possession of the truth and everybody else is wrong or knows nothing.
Tom Cruise is probably the most famous member of the church. Here are some of his quotes from interviews on the subject: "As a scientologist you see life, you see things the way they are"; "We are the authorities on the mind"; "No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do." But when asked to provide specifics or facts to support these and other claims, he has been unable to do so. His answers amount to incoherent rants that are devoid of any substance.

And that is exactly the impression one gets from your posts. The references to the human mind, the end of the world, mysticism, opposition to science and reason. All stated in generalities without any specifics and without any facts, and usually in a tone that is disrespectful, derogatory or condescending towards other people. You cling to your opinions and beliefs without compromise, without listening to or respecting other points of view, almost to the point of fanaticism. In particular, you dislike anybody who seems to have some knowledge of science or who has an academic background but who doesn't share your beliefs.

Even if you are not a member of a cult, your posts definitely suggest some kind of cult influence or some other kind of indoctrination. Again, don't take this personally, but you must be getting your ideas from somewhere.
guest
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
to everyone

>We seem to have two people here who are playing a little game (though I'm not sure if it's two people or one and the same person). They both claim to know what a magnet is, but neither will come out and say it. Let's see how long this will continue. I'll bet that if one of them does try to answer the question, it won't make any sense. Nice game there.

i am not this guest by the way.
and to you guest, i hope you wont take this personaly but the deepness to how i understand a human mind, you are better not to open your mouth again or at least dont use your mind for now. look at the people around you first and the world and when you see something bad and you seem to not hate them but fell for them then you are getting somewhere (tip, you are what you hate). even at that point do not use your mind to hard but slowly... and slowly... and slowly... then.. you can start.. to open your mouth.. slowly...

guest
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
and guest seeking, heres where you should start to answer this question. do not ask what is a magnet, but what causes these particles or whatever you call them even the solar system to act like the way their acting?

then look at it carefully, dont look at where each one is but keep in mind that there is one in the center. look at each ones differences and find the one that stands out, that one carries purity and shows you why, but dont look at the whole system because the others are hiding it and it will not click if your looking at it as a whole.

this is how far i will go for now, but if for some genuis reason that you figure it out right away, look at our world first and see if they are ready to take it.
guest
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
ohhh my god you people, stop starting your search from the things youve learnt from science right now. theres is a dead end to our science right now because all its doing is showing you how all this particles whatever, how they move and where there are going whats going to happen next after they do this and do that, they are just structures and its a dead end if you use them to answer the question WHY?

guest seeking is the only person here way ahead of all of you closer to the answer you all are looking for, not because he knows more than anyone of you but because of how he is. everyone of you knows exaclty the same things same history same physics same whatever it was you learnt from school. you all got given the same information except one of your teacher didnt explain to you properly while the other teacher did but its not going to change the fact that what ever you know now is NOT going to answer "magnetism".
guest #1.0
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
If you're talking about a CRT (cathode ray tube) the image is created by electron guns shooting electrons on the fluorescent screen (cathode rays = beam of electrons). You can control the path of electrons with a magnet.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
This a responce to guest....please use a name ID like Guest2 or just guessing...what ever....this way we keep our guests in order....thanks

08/08/2009 (1 hour ago)
>We seem to have two people here who are playing a little game (though I'm not sure if it's two people or one and the same person). <

Yes there is 2 different people here ....guest seeking and another guest.

This is not a game....this is communication and it's quite enjoyable....thanks for your communication....now we know that you do not wish to share your thoughts for fear of loosing your intelectual rights.....that's understandable....then your not part of the solution so your not part of the equation.
If you wish to share your understanding of what a magnet is please feel free to join in.

Now another guest got to your TV and turn it on without your cable attached and tell me what you see.....we'll start there.
guest
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
We seem to have two people here who are playing a little game (though I'm not sure if it's two people or one and the same person). They both claim to know what a magnet is, but neither will come out and say it. Let's see how long this will continue. I'll bet that if one of them does try to answer the question, it won't make any sense. Nice game there.

O.k. I'll play along. I know what a magnet is and it will revolutionize everything we know about the universe. But I'm not telling.
another guest
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
>Why do you believe this quantum theory? Because you have seen the inner workings of an atom or this was part of your educational box?

Because it has been proven through countless experiments and shown to produce very accurate results. The evidence shows that the "planetary model" produces incorrect results in most cases. And by the way, it's called quantum mechanics, which is an improvement on the old quantum theory.


>Have you ever looked at an electron? They are there for all to see if you wish.

Yes, in fact there are images of atoms and electrons, created using special microscopes, which confirm the wave nature of "bound" electrons, just as the theory predicts.
rjl
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
It is not possible to have that motor.Still there is a need of electrical input but you can use a magnet to increase the efficiency of a motor. I am studying that right now.The idea is to utilize the magnetic energy.Although magnetic energy is conservative,there's a trick to make it non-conservative.That's the big secret for now. My study is not yet finish. I am using my own design motor...
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
.......by the way another guest.....
What really is an open flame? .....you know the flame that is generated by oxydizing matter.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
another guest

08/07/2009 (5 hours ago)
>The idea of electrons as particles orbiting the nucleus (like planets around the sun) is called the Rutherford model (also an early version of the Bohr model, introduced in 1913). This model of the atom has been replaced since around 1925 by quantum mechanics, a highly successful and accurate model that involves atomic orbitals, also called "probability functions" or "probability wave functions." Quantum mechanics can explain and accurately predict many phenomena that the early models could not. The "planetary" model of electrons around a nucleus is now obsolete because it doesn't work.<

Why do you believe this quantum theory? Because you have seen the inner workings of an atom or this was part of your educational box?

Have you ever looked at an electron? They are there for all to see if you wish.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
When we know what a magnet is we will be able to better grasp how it interacts with nature and the universe as we understand it.
...and guest that states...........

>and by the way, i do know why a magnet behaves the way its behaving.<

Well.... Why?
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
I can see this guest is going to move our understanding of energy centuries ahead with there optimism.

I will add that your either part of the solution or your not part of the equation.

What is your lifting force and how is it generated?

What is a magnet?

If you can do the above then you can surely answer this very small, but signifigant question.

Please answer these question so we may all proceed with our search for a better understanding of energy.
guest
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
and ohh, i forgot to mention, that ten kilo ball by the way is not floating on the water, its in the air.
guest
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
and also to all of you who seems to know why this why that, its this its that and blah blah blah blah blah, heres what i can say, you are NO where near figuring out why these planets orbits the sun and all this atoms dah dah dah dah dah, its all because the question is always like " what is a magnet?" you will get stuck with that question for centuries and you will not find the answer.

i can make a ten kilo iron ball float, its impossible isnt it?
guest
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
and by the way, i do know why a magnet behaves the way its behaving. if the world will know what i know it will create chaos, so for now it will remain only with me, for now..
guest
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
the scientist will provide the details, the engeener will shape it and the magician will trick it.

guest
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
heres a tip for all of you, make a team of a scientist an engeener and a magician. and this team will answer all of your questions.

guest
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
smartlec44, you are the scientist and i am the magician. you say iron will not float and i will make it float, i can disappear before your eyes,and you may call it an illusion, but i have still deceive the rule of your eyes. impossible is a word that comes from a mouth of a person who only see an iron sinking in the water. i can bend your rules but you cannot bend mine.
guest
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
>Didden go home or go back to work earn some money and feed your family, if you dont have family then go buy yourself a lolly. the universe is too big for your mind.

Look who is playing god here.
guest
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity,

>I find it truly disturbing that so many people have such a poor understanding of the place they live in that they think that a perpetual motion magnet motor is possible.
Please get an education in science.

a mans mind is disturbing isnt it? i mean you maybe right that a person should know whats inside the room before the person decides to enter the door. but this is actually not the most disturbing part of your statement, its how you play god to someone you think is lower than you. remember you are just a man who follows an idea that came from another man, a man who thought very hard of the idea that now becomes science to you. without that man and those other men who has the ability to think of an idea, you are most probably nothing right now.
guest
08/08/2009 (26 weeks ago)
>Why do you keep attacking people you disagree with? That's all you do, attack the person, not the argument.

because an idea starts from a person and a person who stops an idea has no place in any discssion. if the idea doesnt put you 6 feet under the ground then it doesnt matter how stupid and crazy a persons idea because its better than no idea at all.
another guest
08/07/2009 (26 weeks ago)
The idea of electrons as particles orbiting the nucleus (like planets around the sun) is called the Rutherford model (also an early version of the Bohr model, introduced in 1913). This model of the atom has been replaced since around 1925 by quantum mechanics, a highly successful and accurate model that involves atomic orbitals, also called "probability functions" or "probability wave functions." Quantum mechanics can explain and accurately predict many phenomena that the early models could not. The "planetary" model of electrons around a nucleus is now obsolete because it doesn't work.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/07/2009 (26 weeks ago)
......guest.....which ever guest you are....try and use an ID guest name....what makes you so sure the Patric Kelley web site is not accurate with the position taken.....that electrons orbit the atom?
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/07/2009 (26 weeks ago)
Still no attempts at answering the question.... What is a magnet?
Either no one knows or they know and don't wish to share their knowledge?

And yes I do know the answer to my question or I wouldn't ask it.

Now I plan to share some information in this thread, but don't wish to deal with people interacting with each other thrusting there childish assaults at each others comments.

This behavior is most disruptive which will impede progress.

We learn by sharing questions and answers from each of our collective experience and private contemplation of this subject matter we're attempting to understand.

So with that being said....any attempts at the answer yet....I will keep on asking till I find some one that is really interested.....this is a very important piece of the electromagnetic puzzle which if understood will lead us to many answers.
....please try and understand what has been placed in motion for all of us to try and find the keys .....and they will unlock real understanding for all mankind .....that we may grasp the mysteries of creation and our universe.
guest
08/07/2009 (26 weeks ago)
Of course the oil companies want to prevent electric vehicles from being mass produced. I was disappointed when GM killed the EV1, but there was no profit in it for GM mostly because there wasn't enough demand for it. The government is also partly to blame for not contributing to some of the infrastructure, like building recharging stations, and so the EV1 had a limited range and usefulness.
It's inevitable, electric vehicles are going to replace most gas and diesel powered vehicles, whether the oil companies like it or not. Maybe the Chevrolet Volt, to be released next year, will be a step towards that.
guest
08/07/2009 (26 weeks ago)
The Patrick Kelly website incorrectly talks about electrons as particles in orbit. Electrons are not orbiting the nucleus like planets orbit the sun. When bound to a nucleus, electrons are in certain energy states, sort of like standing waves. In an atom, they behave more like waves than particles. You can't use classical physics to describe atoms and electron orbitals.
The website also compares electrons in molecules to perpetual motion machines. But they're not machines that can do work. They're exchanging energy with their surroundings, which is what keeps them moving.
smartalec44
08/07/2009 (26 weeks ago)
If anybody believes big oil doesn't control how we live,don't be so lazy and read the following sites:
http://www.ev1.org/chevron.htm
http://www.ev1.org/gmoil.htm

The auto companies already had all electric vehicles in 1996-97 using a Ni-MH battery pack which was cheap and durable and gave 125 miles on a charge.The RAV 4 was leased to very satisfied owners.It in fact worked too well because it was taken back by the manufacturer and destroyed along with all the American versions.

Chevron bought the Ni-MH battery technology and forbid it to be used in all electric vehicles.
smartalec44
08/07/2009 (26 weeks ago)
That Patrick Kelly site is a goldmine of information. However the present url is http://free-energy-info.co.uk/
smartalec44
08/07/2009 (26 weeks ago)
guest

06/01/2009 (9 weeks ago)
I find it truly disturbing that so many people have such a poor understanding of the place they live in that they think that a perpetual motion magnet motor is possible.
Please get an education in science.

That's your very problem.You did get an education in the science of the 1800's.The science of the 1900's was developed covertly by our shadow government and has not been made public in your scientific journals and textbooks.Wake up dufus!The earth is round.
Look at the past: "X-rays are a hoax." -Lord Kelvin, engineer and physicist (c. 1900): "Fooling around with alternating current is just a waste of
time. Nobody will use it, ever." Thomas Edison, 1889: "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity,
and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein
guest
08/07/2009 (26 weeks ago)
Why do you keep attacking people you disagree with? That's all you do, attack the person, not the argument.
guest
08/07/2009 (26 weeks ago)
>Perpetuum mobile = impossible

Didden go home or go back to work earn some money and feed your family, if you dont have family then go buy yourself a lolly. the universe is too big for your mind.
Didden
08/07/2009 (26 weeks ago)
Perpetuum mobile = impossible
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/07/2009 (26 weeks ago)
The guest that just left the answer I have the answer to the phenomenon behavior of the so known "magnet".
If you do then you know the answer to the question "what is a magnet?" I posted the question before you and many times before that....please answer the question....if you know the true nature of the magnet you must know what it is....please do not answer with what it does or how it reacts....only what it is will explain why it acts the way it goes....then we start getting creative with the application of the magnet in all it's forms.
This is not a trick question....either some one knows or they don't.
....please come forward....some one with the answer so we may move on. We need more people trying to answer so we know others are really understanding and not just guessing.
guest
08/06/2009 (26 weeks ago)
i have the answer to the phenomenon behaviour of the so known "magnet". its still in the process of cleaning up the equation, its breaking and proving many laws at this point and may take a bit to connect the dots. anyone likes to join this working theory to brainstorm questions so that it can be answered is welcome to do so. 50% curious, 50% potential and 20% critics, 80% understanding and 30% acceptance, 70% less ego and arrogance. this is the mind requirements for those who wants in, if your not this then you go back to your work.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/06/2009 (26 weeks ago)
OK ....I'm back with questions and answers!!!!
Please use an identifing guest name of some sort so we speak to one responder instead of all guests.

Now any other folks out there wish to tell us what there thoughts are about what a magnet is so we can get to the bottom of the magnetic mystery and move on to more in-depth explanations and answers!
guest
08/06/2009 (26 weeks ago)
if possible in this way to convert the energy in our favor, then no matter how many people know this. After all, we have all benefited from this. It is only to be destroyed by the oil lobby and proceed to the final knowledge of where the finish. When the Morgan decided to put in the heart of its concept, he did the greatest harm to mankind in general
guest
08/05/2009 (26 weeks ago)
Why is that so hard to believe that it is possible.
Today scientists deny or ridicule any new idea what they can't explain.They say there is no "free" energy, yet they say that the electrons circle around the core of an atom (at least in last 15 billion years), now if there is no free energy (or at least we can't understand what is it) why is that electron going around the atom like crazy (I know it is a naive question, but if someone think about it). Furthermore, if we really analyze LIFE no one can explain why are we alive, yet again we're here, that's a fact.
So most of the scientific communities deny what they can't explain, but that does not mean that is impossible or does not exist.
I believe there is a lot of energy around us and just because we don't know to harvest it, it doesn't mean its not there.
How many times was something sad to be impossible and after many decades became true. Iron can not float, yet we build ships and cross the oceans, fly like birds.
A last thing. Up until now no one knows what force makes a magnet to be a magnet. If it is in still position does not do any work, ones in motion the magnetic field cut wires...there you go...electricity, so an unknown force does some work.....
What makes magnet so mysterious is that they have dual nature, kind of like electromagnetic and gravitational.
Yes, it can oppose gravity if it is aligned properly against an other magnet with the same pole...
So, enough for now...A wise man sad ones: "Any advanced enough technology seem to magic for the less knowledgeable"
guest
08/04/2009 (26 weeks ago)
my theory proves that nothing can go as fast as speed of light, not even light can go at speed of light, but light does not connect to magnetism and magentism is anyting that attracts so gravity is magnetism but magnets that repel are not magnetism because they don't attract, and it all connects to life so my theory provides the right answer to universal magnetism, and the positive matter and negative matter so it unimaginable to move from space to space and my eqautions prove the heat connects to life which is magnetic so everthing is magnetic except light and things that move. things that dont move dont travel like things that move. but i cant give you summary of my theory.
guest
08/04/2009 (26 weeks ago)
guest seeking, so far my basic equations of the theory proves that nothing can go as fast as speed of light, well, at least motion or "something" in motion should not be compared to the speed of light because it has a different way of travelling all together. this though does not mean that moving from space to space in unimaginable distance is not possible. "unimaginable distance" is only an expression thats only understood from motion. this is just one of the things from this theory of "a universe of magnetism". a space filled with a universal positive matters and a universal negative matters. im also trying to connect the "energy" in which we are going to put in the term of "heat" which also connects to life.
guest
08/04/2009 (27 weeks ago)
guest seeking, if you already have the answer then basicly there is no use answering that question, you can just state your point otherwise. then the discussion goes from there. althought, there is a very valid point you made, our curiosity may lead us to the right question and find the right answer.

guest seeking, lets answer this question in a very simple term, magnet is just a word to anything that attracts.

guest seeking, i am working on a theory which i called "a universe of magnetism" anything that is in motion has been touched by the phenomenon of "magnetism" except light. i dont have my note at this moment so i cant give a full summary of this theory. but ill be glad if someone can help out.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
08/02/2009 (27 weeks ago)
Guest ....
Please use an ID name so I know which guest you are...thanks
....Not coming on so strong....just wish some one would take a shot at the questions I've been asking for quite some time on this thread.....sorry if I get a little anxious.
...we need to move on to the answers to solve our energy problem.
....Now as I stated in previous comments....no attorney worth his salt will ask a question with out knowing the answer....that is court room protocol golden rule #1.

Answering question is not a game, but answers can be very interesting and will lead us to many more question and answers so will all have a much better understanding of the true nature of energy and the means to extract quantities for our use.
Now any stabs at the answer to what a magnet is?
Gurnney
08/01/2009 (27 weeks ago)
For all of you quite sure voters, Goals are the fuel in the furnace of achievement.
Brian Tracy, Eat that Frog
Gurnney
08/01/2009 (27 weeks ago)
For all of the impossible an maybe voters, there is no failure except in no longer trying.
guest
08/01/2009 (27 weeks ago)
>Will some one give this question a shot??? Please!

okay guest seeking, dont come out too strong because no one is going to wanna deal with that especially if they dont know your point or what your up to? but i've got a question for you first before i play this game, do you know the answer to that question?
guest seeking real understanding of energy
07/31/2009 (27 weeks ago)
Still no one has answered the question...what is a magnet? Does any one know? The answer will change knowedge of all fields of science.
Will some one step up to bat!
Yes they use magnets with out complete understanding of them....kinda like using mixing chemicals based on cause and effect....a+b=c but why?????????
Will some one give this question a shot??? Please!
guest
07/31/2009 (27 weeks ago)
Vous avez tout à fait correct. Il est impossible de créer de l'énergie ou de matière à partir de rien. De nombreux laïcs ne comprennent pas ce principe de base de la physique, et ils croient qu'il est possible de construire des machines à mouvement perpétuel, y compris les moteurs magnétiques.
Sadique Arnaud
07/31/2009 (27 weeks ago)
1) Je ne crois pas plus en la possibilité d'un moteur perpétuel que je ne crois en la création de matière à partir de rien. 2) Je suis un scientifique. 3) Le problème des scientifiques, est qu'on les porte facilement aux nues sitôt qu'ils annoncent une vérité qui fait plaisir au monde, et on les voue aux gémonies si jamais leur vérité ne plaît pas. 4) Mon problème est que maintenant vous allez me détester :(
guest seeking real understanding of energy
07/29/2009 (27 weeks ago)
DOES ANY BODY KNOW WHAT A MAGNET IS??????????????????????????????
wELL IF YOUR INTERESTED JUST SAY WELL WHAT IS IT ...ONLY IF YOU DON'T KNOW....IF YOU DO THEN TELL US PLEASE!
guest
07/26/2009 (28 weeks ago)
>Are all these people and companies frauds or are they being silenced by big oil?

knowing how this world works, thats definitely possible, put politics behid all of it and thats exactly how its meant to work. at the end of the day all that matters is that its pay day. even if this motor is still yet to exist, there is still one truth that remains, big companies and their coonection and role with the government, will still prevail. theres nothing to this experiment but a cheque unless its sole purpose is to bring companies down then thats when change really happens. but then again, why would an individual want to see change, when he has already made change for himsefl.
smartalec44
07/25/2009 (28 weeks ago)
I reading this thread 4 to 5 years after the fact and I'm mad as hell because I google these inventors and companies and can't seem to find any current information on most of them.They all can't be frauds. Where is Kohei Minato and his Japan Magnetic Fan Co.?Where is Lutec(Magniwork) motor?Where is Genepax water car?Why isn't the Howard Johnson motor being used?Why isn't Perendev-Power making useful motors?What's James Fauble and the high energy Dirac Monopole doing?Where's Mark Golde's Magnetic Power Inc. with the ZPE generators?Are all these people and companies frauds or are they being silenced by big oil?
guest seeking real understanding of energy
07/24/2009 (28 weeks ago)
Still no answer!
What is a magnet??????????????????????????????????
Some one has to have a clue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK...Any body want to see random free moving electrons with the naked eye?????????????????????
What's a tub of water have in common with a huge electrical storm?????????????????????????????????
What's happening in those sun spots??????????????
How is an incandescent light bulb like the sun???
Try pondering a couple of these questions and I'll come up with a few more for ya if any ones interested?
guest
07/24/2009 (28 weeks ago)
The video is a fake from the 1990s and Reed admitted he had batteries in the back of the car.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
07/23/2009 (28 weeks ago)
Watch this video and understand that this is real magnetic motor technology that is in place and working.
....you folks need to try an understand what a magnet really is for then all of you will see the limitless quantities of mechanical energy that is possible NOW!

No need to burn and consume fuel matter to produce mechanical motion.....in fact steam energy hasn't even been tapped for it has untold quantities of energy if you just take a moment to revise the way you create the steam! I mean very very simple closed system!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEfpGoYMdvQ&featur e=player_embedded
Mr. Gil Chartrand
07/23/2009 (28 weeks ago)
If the magnets can be moved mechanically as to simulate alternative north south poles, a permanent magnet motor is quite possible. Simply simulate the action of a DC brush motor and you've got it.
guest seeking real understanding of energy
07/21/2009 (28 weeks ago)
Now this will be my last posting here till some body answers the question correctly. What is a magnet???....and please...no cause and effect definitions as answers! I can't tolerate the maturity level of this thread. Your conversations are totally fruitless and unproductive to say the least. Thanking every one for there cooperation.
Let proceed with the real meaning for which this thread was intended.
guest
07/21/2009 (29 weeks ago)
baloney, but you are just better shutting up. because your dumbness in this generation is not even funny anymore. everytime you are trying to use your mind, bit by bit, your adding up hundreds of years to when this world will finally meet peace. i wanna say who cares, but hopefully i wont, for your own sake.
guest
07/21/2009 (29 weeks ago)
ohh yeh i forgot to mention, your primitive mind served you ones agian. its dumb enough to say that i will be talking to myself, monkey boy, of course your going to come back, your going to come back to see if you are the last to horah. meaning you are still reading this dumb dumb. it doesnt matter how good you are going to hide from your so obvious excuses because at the end you still read it. its just the animal side in you monkey boy that you will just keep coming back, you tried to hold it but you cant, you pretended that your not but you are! and the most dumber part of it, is that, you tried to sound conviencing after you knew how good i can read you. your action is so primitive little boy, its like just reading a title of a book and i would know the whole story. actually, i dont even have to read the title of your book, i just have to look at the picture and i would know it. its almost not even a childrens book, but a babys book.
guest
07/21/2009 (29 weeks ago)
baloney, theres no denying, you do have a primitive mind. in politics war, you are surrendering with ego. exiting and making it look like you didnt loose. that technique is already acient too boy, also in the museum already. in a real war boy, it doesnt matter how you exit, you came, you saw, but you didnt conquer, you loose!
contradict, now, this is exactly what makes your mind soo primitive compare to mine. because you havent seen and understood the things i have. and this is one of the things you didnt understand but now you will. of course the things i say will contradict, im trying to win. im using techniques not belief. techniques monkey boy, if you are smart enough, techniques is totally different from your beliefs. i say things that i believe but use techniques to win. now, is this something your learning again boy? this is the things you learn from politics boy, politics, not from your abc school.

and no denying too, you are dumb (so stupid and sad for an educated monkey like you). check my own property? what kind of question is that? go through the net and check my own property? what in the world are you into, the world of fakes? is that what you do, search the net and look for something you can use to fake? you are a dumb sad little monkey! i thought you were just dumb too, but your actually dumber. hoy monkey boy, im a brat i dont give a crap. yeh im proud to be a brat, behind that word brat is where you find the real fun!

and talking about women, oohh god, i wont even go there, but ill make you picture it, those models you see in mags, ads and just pure beauty all together, if you are new in my kind of circle, you are going to "ah ah" before you even touch them. but thats how far im going to make you see, i may be a player but surprisingly i respect them. my mother and i maybe standing on a different boat, but i love her.

but there is a question you havent answer yet, are you really a mamas boy or just gay? so far i've been pretty straight forward on this little discussion of ours, i think its time for you to be fair and for ones be "straight" of the question. so, baloney, boy, or what is it really?

baloney detector
07/20/2009 (29 weeks ago)

>baloney, the club is just a hang out boy, tell the ladies to wait till they see the real thing. and hey baloney, dont get ahead of yourself too much, i wasnt planning to invite you. the ladies maybe. and hey, asking for a name, wow, what do you think im running, a pub?

>now you were asking for a name, you should be giving me your name boy


Just as I thought. You fell for that one hook, line, and sinker after you painted yourself into a corner. That was too easy. You couldn't even check the web for the name and address of a nightclub. There are lists of them and it only takes a couple of seconds to find one. I doubt that you've ever even been to a nightclub. Pathetic.



>and to make you even more disgusting, you use words like "fun", now that will diffinetly lure people out there just by using that word "fun".

>what is the right emotions monkey boy, all i know is have fun.


You contradicted yourself there. First you think fun is disgusting, and then you're all about fun and laughter, own a nightclub, and have a direct line to the president. You're a phoney, and not a convincing one at that. And you seem to be desperate to convince me, a total stranger, how much fun, power and money you have. Sorry, but nobody's buying.

Here's what I think. I think you're a sad little teenager with severe emotional problems who is sitting in his parents' basement playing with magnets and desperate for attention. That wouldn't be so bad in itself. But he gets attention by bragging and by insulting complete strangers on the web. He likes to use empty phrases like "you don't get it" or "you're shallow" or "you have no imagination" to try to show that he's better than the person he's criticizing. If you weren't so rude, vulgar and obnoxious like I said, you wouldn't be getting this kind of a response. Also, nobody likes a self-important braggart, so if you start bragging they might ridicule you.

>you were saying about fun again monkey boy, because i promise you, if your girls at the office are reading this right now, when you chicks meets me and know everything i own, i promise you ladies, you will forget about your dear friend baloney. thats right baloney i will steal your girls from you, even your wife.


Women (straight women, to be exact) are interested in men, not an unemployed and out-of-school adolescent who is wasting away his life in his parents' dark basement. The women I know are not impressed by your posts. They agree that you need psychiatric help.

It was entertaining while it lasted, but I have to be moving on to other more interesting things. Continue posting if you want, but you'll be talking to yourself from now on.
guest
07/20/2009 (29 weeks ago)
since i mentioned casino little baloney, let me explain this world in a casino way then maybe, if your "deep" enough you might understand it. its like one person hitting a jockpot infront of thousands of people, and that one person, becomes their "insperation", that one person becomes the driving force for those thousands of people who witness that wonderfull win. and those thousands of people will keep coming back and mulitply the money they give to the casino, thousands more times than that money the casino give to that one person. and guess what, the casino dont see them as stupid addicks, the casino dont see them having a problem, actually the casino wont admit that, casino sees them as a family, treats them as a family because they are providing the casino with "power" (laughing quitely behind your back). its the same thing that happens around you little boy. the education that your parents gave you, your parents whove seen the jackpot, is only to feed the economy, and when economy is good, profit is very good. theres is no real money there for the rest of the people boy, its just a little budget they put aside so little people like you can get a little tiny taste of that power,so you will keep hoping so that you will keep feeding. and the economy's best propaganda is, guess what? "knowledge is power". and that boy, is what surrounds you on a nut shell.
guest
07/20/2009 (29 weeks ago)
baloney boy, do you really think a person like me gives a crap about education, i care more about equality more than your stupid education (not fully against education, still believe in systems to some extent,but when it gets into the hands of someone like you it becomes stupid). ive seen and understand things a normal civilian like you were not meant to see. when i went to this site and saw some of you educated monkey (not everyone, but someone like you) who are critisising those people who are trying to find some hope, i tried to stop you idiots because those people you are critisising are probably going to make more difference in the future than someone like you will ever do as an educated person. then, a monkey like you goes on about your little knowledge you learnt from school is so important, then i said, boy you are such a stupid blind person, actually, you are not even blind, because a real blind person has more vision than you who has the real sight. so i go on and explain to you the real politics about your so "proud" knowledge. you know that saying "knowledge is power" its bullshit little boy, MONEY, is the real "power".
guest
07/20/2009 (29 weeks ago)
baloney, the club is just a hang out boy, tell the ladies to wait till they see the real thing. and hey baloney, dont get ahead of yourself too much, i wasnt planning to invite you. the ladies maybe. and hey, asking for a name, wow, what do you think im running, a pub? boy, you are going to get flip upside down first before you even get to the first level. second level, your going to tell everything about you. third level, i basicly own you (i treat them as a friend, although i dont need them). boy, even then, with all these levels a person has to go through, this person will still have to beg for a VIP pass "my power" just to basicly make me own them. without it, the closest you can get to this club is when your driving along, dreaming to win some money in a stupid casino, you cant even walk on its foot path. now you were asking for a name, you should be giving me your name boy. but then again i can just always trace you if i really hate you, or like you. but you see baloney boy, if your wondering what the hell a person like me is doing in this site, exercising my bored mind.
baloney detector
07/19/2009 (29 weeks ago)

>if you have any chicks around your office, would you kindly pass on to them the VIP invitation to my club and everything is free, and i mean everything. and i will thank you very much monkey boy but i get all the fun

That sounds like a really good deal. Thanks for the invitation, very generous of you. I believe I will drop by your club and bring some chicks along. I'm sure they will appreciate that. Now all we need is the name and address of your club, as well as your name. You're the owner of the club right? As soon as we have that information and we have some free time, we will make plans to come by for a visit. Thanks again.
guest
07/19/2009 (29 weeks ago)
And what's special about you? Let'see...you've got an overinflated ego, are of low intelligence, are rude, vulgar and obnoxious, mentally deranged, and emotionally immature. OK, I guess that does make you special.


"low intelligence" hhhmmm yeh not proud of education but i can buy it if i want, told my parents to piss off when i was a kid, soon as i understood that its not me who needs my education, its those businesses who needs it, knew this on a very early age when im around politicians and business relations. all you are "puppets".
"rude" "vulgar" "obnoxios" just saying the obvious,does it hurt? but im very gentle with ladies, extremly gentle
"mentally deranged" are my reasons too much for an office boy like you?
"emmotionaly immature" what is the right emotions monkey boy, all i know is have fun.
and yes, i am "special" the power the money, not education, the money.
and this is what makes me "special"


guest
07/19/2009 (29 weeks ago)
you see monkey boy, i have the power, you dont. even if your fake little "successfull business" is real, even if its a big successfull business, i will buy that of you boy, i can take it of you and leave you with nothing boy, nothing but the gutter and that five cent next to you.
guest
07/19/2009 (29 weeks ago)
hey monkey boy, you want to tell the president? you want to make him laugh? i can connect you to him.
guest
07/19/2009 (29 weeks ago)
monkey mind baloney, let me just make you understand about that technique your using how you think one would really care and scared when you tell the whole world about the funny things that person is doing, baloney that technique is ancient boy ancient, that would be in the museum in scare tactics boy, museum thats where it is already.
guest
07/19/2009 (29 weeks ago)
lol, monkey baloney, you are soo predictable little monkey boy. "laughs at the office" "this is all in good fun" now baloney, so far, does it look like im caring? if you want, i can laugh with you, we can laugh together. and by the way you like that pharagraph i wrote huh, why baloney, your mind is getting a little numb, cant think of anything else? and hey little monkey, you know that fake magnetic motor, theres a lot of money in there. guess what monkey boy, you know my office, is a nightclub, dont do jack shit, money is coming in, party every time till my eyes pops out (you know what that means). and by the way about my parents, thanks for worrying about them, one should worry about them because their only son is a muck up but they know im extremly wise, so they went away and bought their own little private island very far to get away from all the troubles im causing. yes im a brat boy but a lot of fun. and hey, if you have any chicks around your office, would you kindly pass on to them the VIP invitation to my club and everything is free, and i mean everything. and i will thank you very much monkey boy but i get all the fun. i like new faces, the locals are getting boring. now, you were saying about fun again monkey boy, because i promise you, if your girls at the office are reading this right now, when you chicks meets me and know everything i own, i promise you ladies, you will forget about your dear friend baloney. thats right baloney i will steal your girls from you, even your wife. now, what was that office you were talking about monkey boy?
guest
07/18/2009 (29 weeks ago)
>There, how do you like having your own drivel thrown back at you. LOL!

Good one, baloney detector!
baloney detector
07/18/2009 (29 weeks ago)

LOL, oh boy oh boy. wannabe little caveboy is that all you can say, i have a fake little "magnetic motor" no education this, no education that. wannabe boy, i can bum around and build you a cave and you and your apemen would still kneel down infront of me even behind me and kiss my shinny waxed ass. you are nothing in this world caveboy, you are just a five cent, a little caveboy picked up on the gutter to make up a dollar, if that boy already had a dollar, he will just kick into the drain and down you go with all the dirt in this world. dont be too ashamed of your lack of education apeboy because its just a system that those who has the money "power" put up so little caveboys like you will fail and let others build better weapons, better health and better transport. when this panet is about to collapse, you know what their going to say to little caveboy like you (who should despise your parents for not putting you to school), they will say, no thanks for building me this fake motor but i got to go now, see yah.


There, how do you like having your own drivel thrown back at you. LOL!



(This one brought in quite a few laughs at the office. We're all looking forward to your reply. Come on, don't keep us waiting. Snap to it!)
baloney detector
07/18/2009 (29 weeks ago)

>your meanings are very shallow, just like guest with a brain. nothing special about you boy

And what's special about you? Let'see...you've got an overinflated ego, are of low intelligence, are rude, vulgar and obnoxious, mentally deranged, and emotionally immature. OK, I guess that does make you special.
baloney detector
07/18/2009 (29 weeks ago)

>"feel sorry" you got to be kidding me. baloney save your feelings because you dont understand yet who you should feel sorry for

You're right, I shouldn't feel sorry for you. I should feel sorry for your parents. What was I thinking.

>and ohh yeh baloney (this is going to be a good one), is this how you plan to strike back, going to post to the public

Who said anything about striking back. This is all in good fun. That's right, fun. Are you scared or something? Scared of being the laughing stock of the internet? Awww, poor wannabe.
guest
07/18/2009 (29 weeks ago)
so, so far baloney, as far as i can remember, we have understand (as in you and i) that you are scared, cant accept, mamas boy or gay, shallow, fake, a villain, like a lifeless hard drive, like a virgin hhmmm and ohh yeh educated too. did i miss something, dont be "ashame" to cooperate, this is for your own good.
guest
07/18/2009 (29 weeks ago)
and ohh yeh baloney (this is going to be a good one), is this how you plan to strike back, going to post to the public and get some empathy so they can help you and perhaps get them to do the dirty job that you couldnt understand how to? wow baloney, that is one piece of a natural villain master mind showing in you, and to make you even more disgusting, you use words like "fun", now that will diffinetly lure people out there just by using that word "fun". you see baby baloney, your mind has not reach the soul of your action. and hey baloney, im sure your going to admit here that you hate villains right? well, guess what baloney, its in you, just needed to be activated. so next time you hear stories out there about villains, and you start to feel like you hate them, its the same reason a thief hates another thief. hey baloney, you have anymore words left? because i dont mind touring you to your own baby mind.

guest
07/18/2009 (29 weeks ago)
>(before he started to get nasty)

is this level already getting nasty to you? your either a mamas boy or gay? which one is it baloney?
guest
07/18/2009 (29 weeks ago)
ohh.. poor little baloney, looking for allies? well, imagine that baloney, a 14 year old kid is putting you to shame on this. so far you have not shown any example about life at all except words like "demented" "psychological" most of all that part about your fake little "successfull business" getting a bit desperate there hey baby baloney? come on boy, because if this is all you can come up after all the schooling you did, not sure if schools are meant to exercise your mind anymore, but instead your looking like a lifeless hard drive where i can store information so whenever i need to use i can just go and use it. "lifeless hard drive" "use it" now baloney, you dont even sound like any kind of living life anymore, infact, you dont even qualify even just a monkey, not even a bacteria. baloney, your not a father are you?
baloney detector
07/17/2009 (29 weeks ago)

>let me tell you something boy, move your right foot, move your left foot, look up , look down, look on your left, look on your right

What are you into square dancing now? You should send a video of that. Give it a title, something like "Cavemen in boots".
baloney detector
07/17/2009 (29 weeks ago)

>You better watch that temper of yours or somebody might get the idea of pasting your email address all over the net and then you will be flooded with junk mail. You gotta be pretty stupid to get into a flame war where everybody knows your email adress.

Hey that's not a bad idea. I've already shown some of wannabe's funny posts around the office and we had some laughs (before he started to get nasty). Maybe I'll copy them over to other sites so that others can enjoy a good laugh. Spread the cheer, as it were.
baloney detector
07/17/2009 (29 weeks ago)

>i am younger than you think i am

Let me guess....14?
guest
07/17/2009 (29 weeks ago)
>You better watch that temper of yours or somebody might get the idea of pasting your email address all over the net and then you will be flooded with junk mail. You gotta be pretty stupid to get into a flame war where everybody knows your email adress.

is this already a war? no wonder this world is pretty messed up. a man results to a war when a man has no longer more words "bump me ill hit you". but thanks for the advise guest, but heres my advise back to you, do not worry about a player, because a wise one would not enter without an exit.
guest
07/17/2009 (29 weeks ago)

baloney baloney, you seriously dont get it dot you or should i say again just too scared to face it. "feel sorry" you got to be kidding me. baloney save your feelings because you dont understand yet who you should feel sorry for. you know baloney, if you were a girl and those who has a baby mind like you, you would still be a virgin till now, probably become a nun. "angry at the world" wow, your mind is no doubt very shallow, is this how you explain the things that goes beyond your understanding boy? you are worser than a man who are expirementing without a scientific background. baloney, let me tell you something boy, move your right foot, move your left foot, look up , look down, look on your left, look on your right, i know what your up to, look me in the eye, then you just told me your life, say a word to me, i know whats going to happen to you. and heres the thing, i am younger than you think i am. yes, you are much older than i am, and its ashame you know nothing.
baloney detector
07/17/2009 (29 weeks ago)

>You're right this guy is seriously demented. And kind of creepy too. Its sad really.

It is sad, and I almost feel sorry for him. Something must have happened to him. Maybe he was abused by his parents or something, and that's why he is angry at the world.
guest
07/17/2009 (29 weeks ago)
>kneel down infront of me even behind me and kiss my shinny waxed ass
>a_olaer@yahoo.com.au

You better watch that temper of yours or somebody might get the idea of pasting your email address all over the net and then you will be flooded with junk mail. You gotta be pretty stupid to get into a flame war where everybody knows your email adress.
Kepler
07/17/2009 (29 weeks ago)
Another tech guest,..
It doesn't challenge my beliefs to say Tesla is a nut case. It just points out you are unwilling to realize he was a genius. It is the reason J.P. Morgan and Westinghouse used him so much to invent technology that didn't exist yet. pompous: having or exhibiting self-importance. I would say your comments meet the definition,.. if you honestly want to say an inventor with a huge global impact on a higher standard of living is a "nut case". Again you have nothing factual to say of this..since Tesla is dead I am defending him not my "beliefs". Yup I attacked you emotionally, but so was your "nut case" comment. I would love to debate you about a subject but you have not put forth any actual knowledge to debate yet.
guest
07/17/2009 (29 weeks ago)
You're right this guy is seriously demented. And kind of creepy too. Its sad really.
guest
07/17/2009 (29 weeks ago)
>your meanings are very shallow, just like guest with a brain.

guest with a brain
peace, i forgot you've already mentioned your point.
guest
07/17/2009 (29 weeks ago)
hey baloney, i thought what makes a man smart is because he is a thinker, "demented"? is that the only explaination you can come up after all the schooling you did? come on baloney, you are showing that you have no experience in life boy. and your already giving up, its either you cant accept the truth (using excuses like theres no point "typical")or is it too scary to face the truth behind the real human mind. "physcological" please baloney, do not use words you do not fully understand. you only understand that word on a dictionary level. you can write a whole britanica book collection just of that one word, and will put a whole new meaning of what your dictionary told you. your meanings are very shallow, just like guest with a brain. nothing special about you boy. go keep working on your little fake "succesfull business".
baloney detector
07/16/2009 (29 weeks ago)

>i can bum around and build you a school and you and your teachers would still kneel down infront of me even behind me and kiss my shinny waxed ass. you are nothing in this world boy, you are just a five cent, a little boy picked up on the gutter to make up a dollar, if that boy already had a dollar, he will just kick into the drain and down you go with all the dirt in this world

This guy is more demented than I thought. He obviously has serious psychological issues and is full of rage and hatred. There's no point in jousting with somebody like that. It's a waste of time.
guest
07/16/2009 (29 weeks ago)
hey monkey baloney, will you build me a spaceship? if you dont, i will build an army to make you.
guest
07/16/2009 (29 weeks ago)
LOL, oh boy oh boy. baloney little boy is that all you can say, i have a fake little "succesfull business" education this, education that. baloney boy, i can bum around and build you a school and you and your teachers would still kneel down infront of me even behind me and kiss my shinny waxed ass. you are nothing in this world boy, you are just a five cent, a little boy picked up on the gutter to make up a dollar, if that boy already had a dollar, he will just kick into the drain and down you go with all the dirt in this world. dont be too proud of your education monkey boy because its just a system that those who has the money "power" put up so little boys like you will get excited and keep building them better weapons, better health and better transport. when this panet is about to collapse, you know what their going to say to little boy like you (who should thank your parents for putting you to school), they will say, thanks for building me this spaceship but i got to go now, see yah.
baloney detector
07/16/2009 (29 weeks ago)

>they keep educating themselves in bussiness so they can keep paying monkeys like you baloney

That's pretty funny because it just so happens that I own a successful business. I would give you a job as a waterboy (our last waterboy had to quit because he's taking summer courses), but you do need a bit of intelligence for the job and you obviously don't qualify. Sorry I can't help you.

>the only so called "intellegent" in this whole human race are the ones who has all the "money" who really wont have to give a crap about education

You must have flunked out with some really awful grades back in elementary school, and that's why you hate education. I've got some advice for you. Since you have some kind of learning disability, you should enrol in a special ed program for adults. And while you're at it, take a course in anger management, for grumpy misanthropes with chips on their shoulders.

>this world is in slavery and its worser than ever before, and its hiding behind the word "money"

And your solution is to troll the web selling or promoting fake motors? Gee, why didn't I think of that. I wonder how many fake motors you've got stashed away in that cave of yours.
guest
07/16/2009 (29 weeks ago)
oh yeh, hey baby mind baloney, what were you saying about intelligence again?
guest
07/16/2009 (29 weeks ago)
oh please "evolved", now your making me laugh. your monkey brain still dont get it do you? humans are still the same stupid weak animal who developed a trick to use the other (human)so this individual animal (man) can survive, not so the rest will survive but so this individual animal can have a better survival. look around you monkey baloney, this whole place for "human" are worser than a jungle. these animals (humans) are killing each other more than any animals out there in the jungle. "intellegent" please baloney, obviously you are still a baby in this world. the only so called "intellegent" in this whole human race are the ones who has all the "money" who really wont have to give a crap about education but can buy you like a blank cd in a store and put songs in your head. baloney, hoy wake up boy, its time to become a "man". this world is in slavery and its worser than ever before, and its hiding behind the word "money". those who holds the "money" dont give a shit about science, they keep educating themselves in bussiness so they can keep paying monkeys like you baloney, to work for them and save their asses. baloney boy, your intellegent is nothing in this world, i have the money, i can buy you and theres not a damn thing you can do about it. being born in this world is just a game about struggle, while the real "intellegent animal" is out there in grand bahama having a pina colada, and sometimes when they feel like it, on their own private tropical paradise.
A guest still waiting for an answer.
07/16/2009 (29 weeks ago)
Guest with a brain at least made a stab at answering my question. His answer was like the text book verity...he used the effect a magnet has on other objects as a definition for what a magnet is. Any one else wish to give it a whirl?

I'll let the individual know when there correct for then I'll know this individual is on the same page from my book of understanding and we'll move along to find the answers to other pieces of the magnetic puzzle....for now keep :-)
baloney detector
07/15/2009 (29 weeks ago)

>poor baloney, cant accept that his descendants are monkeys

Poor wannabe doesn't know that descendants are offspring (children). One thing is for sure, if you have any descendants they'll turn into brutes or apemen like you. Go ahead, keep making a fool of yourself.
baloney detector
07/15/2009 (29 weeks ago)

>ohh dont tell everyone that you just "wannabe" intellegent, sound intellegent.

Kind of ironic, considering you've got the intelligence of a block of ice.
baloney detector
07/15/2009 (29 weeks ago)

>hey baloney, you want to go through our family tree, we may have the same monkey granparents.

The problem is you never evolved past the troglodyte (caveman) level. Your brutish posts prove that.
guest
07/15/2009 (29 weeks ago)
hey baloney, you want to go through our family tree, we may have the same monkey granparents.
guest
07/15/2009 (29 weeks ago)
>The truth? From an ape? Keep this up and I won't stop laughing.
>Judging by your posts, you've got the genes of an orangutan.

oohh..whats the matter? you sound upset, its ok, its just the animal in you coming out. you dont have to hide it from your fake laughs, thats worser than selling fake motors. its ok let it out. poor baloney, cant accept that his descendants are monkeys. its ok baloney, its ok to be a monkey. you want banana?
another tech guest
07/15/2009 (29 weeks ago)
Kepler
Not that any of this is "on subject", but if my using proper english permit someone to label me as being "pompous", does the use of poor english justify my calling someone "ignorant" or "stupid"?
another tech guest
07/15/2009 (29 weeks ago)
Kepler
You would like a logical debate?
Your first reaction to anything that challenges one of your BELIEFS is to launch an emotional attack on someone else with name calling.
You've got to be kidding.
baloney detector
07/14/2009 (29 weeks ago)

>ohh, are you scared of the truth? what a baby..

The truth? From an ape? Keep this up and I won't stop laughing.
baloney detector
07/14/2009 (29 weeks ago)

>i may carry the same gene of those who not only know, but have the passion that leads to the right questions and finds the right answers.

Judging by your posts, you've got the genes of an orangutan.
guest
07/14/2009 (29 weeks ago)
>Watch out for that philosopher wannabe nutcase.

ohh, are you scared of the truth? what a baby..
guest
07/14/2009 (29 weeks ago)
>LOL, you didn't pick up on the sarcasm about the radiation. Guess who's looking foolish now. Why am I not surprised.

>Watch out for that philosopher wannabe nutcase. He might try to talk you into buying another one.

i see, you dont like getting laughed at do you? its ok, they are not laughing anymore. you are a very intellegent person like you agreed, exactly what are you doing here again and not there doing the research? ohh dont tell everyone that you just "wannabe" intellegent, sound intellegent. its ok, dont be ashamed of the truth.
guest
07/14/2009 (29 weeks ago)
i see, you dont like getting laughed at do you? its ok, they are not laughing anymore. you are a very intellegent person like you agreed, exactly what are you doing here again and not there doing the research? ohh dont tell everyone that you just "wannabe" intellegent, sound intellegent. its ok, dont be ashamed of the truth.
baloney detector
07/14/2009 (29 weeks ago)

>god dam it, I wish i'd seen this 30min ago. just have to hope the wife doesn't see the visa statement :( oh well teach me a lesson

Watch out for that philosopher wannabe nutcase. He might try to talk you into buying another one.
baloney detector
07/14/2009 (29 weeks ago)

>hey, you shouldnt make those researchers laugh at you. there making a fool of you right now. otherwise you can go and apply for the job.

LOL, you didn't pick up on the sarcasm about the radiation. Guess who's looking foolish now. Why am I not surprised.
guest
07/14/2009 (30 weeks ago)
>Thanks.

hey, you shouldnt make those researchers laugh at you. there making a fool of you right now. otherwise you can go and apply for the job.
guest
07/14/2009 (30 weeks ago)
god dam it, I wish i'd seen this 30min ago. just have to hope the wife doesn't see the visa statement :( oh well teach me a lesson
baloney detector
07/13/2009 (30 weeks ago)

>wow, you must be some very intellegent person.

Thanks.
guest
07/13/2009 (30 weeks ago)
i have made theories that are now in existense. theories and ideas that were thought by those who are today classified as "ingenius", intellegent minds that brought us up to this date in science. i was able to come up with theories, equations and understandings of things ive never even studied about, only to find out that the fundamentals are already in place. i may carry the same gene of those who not only know, but have the passion that leads to the right questions and finds the right answers. i hope to find a person that could help me understand science today, even the most basic of a subject or topic, and work the rest of the equations from there. i am most interested in universal theory.

a_olaer@yahoo.com.au
guest
07/13/2009 (30 weeks ago)
>It's the radiation that makes it all possible. Researchers need to realize this.

so your saying those researchers who are very qualified dont realize what youve realized? wow, you must be some very intellegent person.
baloney detector
07/13/2009 (30 weeks ago)

>This technique has been known to some (though very few) researchers

>The restructuring of the magnetic domain consumes a small fraction of the magnet's internal molecular energy but which is supposed to be replenished through radiant energy exchange with its surrounding during the time gap between the working actions. Like any other object, the magnet continuously absorbs and radiates energy (Stefan-Boltzmann Law of Radiation) but, unlike unmagnetized bodies, its radiation has a characteristic pattern due to its molecular alignment and uniformity of electron spin.

It's the radiation that makes it all possible. Researchers need to realize this.
Vince
07/13/2009 (30 weeks ago)
Magnets are a waste of time.

Vacuum energy is indisputably real and now a German scientist has discovered how to extract small amounts of this energy here on Earth and convert it to mechanical energy, using only a tiny fraction of electricity for input compared to the output.
guest JUNE
07/13/2009 (30 weeks ago)
Magnetic flux is dynamic even for a permanent magnet. Cogging is the main problem that prevents continuous motion of the rotor. Virtual attraction of like poles and virtual repulsion of unlike poles should eliminate cogging. This technique has been known to some (though very few) researchers who had the passion and creativity to conduct exploratory experiments on permanent magnets, even without shielding and any electrical intervention. This should make an all-magnet motor very possible.

The production of work has to be intermittent within the same rotational cycle to allow the magnet to recover from magnetic stress. If the magnet is strong enough, it should be able to restructure its disrupted domains before the succeeding interaction, provided that the resisting force during the working action is not greater than its coercive strength. The restructuring of the magnetic domain consumes a small fraction of the magnet's internal molecular energy but which is supposed to be replenished through radiant energy exchange with its surrounding during the time gap between the working actions. Like any other object, the magnet continuously absorbs and radiates energy (Stefan-Boltzmann Law of Radiation) but, unlike unmagnetized bodies, its radiation has a characteristic pattern due to its molecular alignment and uniformity of electron spin. This pattern is supposed to be responsible for the magnetic flux.
Markovic
07/13/2009 (30 weeks ago)
All this guestions are nonses. In the Nature there are STATIC and DYNAMIC energy sources. Magnetic fields belongs to typical STATIC sources. So, they exist and they responds only like tensioned spring - if some DYNAMIC force is interfearing their Static status. Therefore, using ideal (not existing) bearings in total vacum, you can theoretically design something what will turned arround for even very long time. But when you take from it even for 1 mW larger energy than your input for starting of rotation was - everytning will be stopped. In my relativly long life, I recognised more than 200 cases that people waste their time and money on (in some cases) even very smart and complicated designes and experiments but Physics remains as it is and many people naive as they are.
guest
07/13/2009 (30 weeks ago)
can anyone explain in plain english, the basics of magnetism (magnetic field, electromagnetism etc.) and the questions science ask until now. i do not fully understand why there are soo many topic in magnetic world. but i may have what it takes to understand its behaviour once i fully understand the basics of magnetism. whatever the outcome is, you can have it. but i promise you, i will give you theories that will flip you upsidedown. i will make you think way beyond one's imagination. i will make you understand laws that makes up the previous laws. i will even make you a law that will unify every law. i will give you an end to infinity and life for an energy which death, gathers to become the ultimate enemy, of fear. i have a gift of simplifying the veriest origin of number one, the existence in space and the role of space in existence. try me.
Kepler
07/11/2009 (30 weeks ago)
Another tech guest. Tesla may have been a "nut case" but seriously you are a pompous human being,.. he obviously knew a lot more than you do even today. I am not saying all his inventions may work,..but think he lived in a time only 60 percent of the western population was even literate, never mind had any understanding of radiation, robotics, electricity, magnetism, x rays, wireless technology, radio waves (his patten is earlier than Marconi), scalar waves, etc, etc,. He created the first hydroelectric dam, check yourself. Oh he is the most important inventor of the 20th century, and please I would love a logical debate saying otherwise.
guest
07/09/2009 (30 weeks ago)
>They probably gave you the wrong medication.

baloney detector, "the overdosed man" drugs are needed, reaction is imminent (the sequel).
guest
07/09/2009 (30 weeks ago)
can anyone explain in plain english, the basics of magnetism (magnetic field, electromagnetism etc.) and the questions science ask until now. i do not fully understand why there are soo many topic in magnetic world. but i may have what it takes to understand its behaviour once i fully understand the basics of magnetism. whatever the outcome is, you can have it. but i promise you, i will give you theories that will flip you upsidedown. i will make you think way beyond one's imagination. i will make you understand laws that makes up the previous laws. i will even make you a law that will unify every law. i will give you an end to infinity and life for an energy which death, gathers to become the ultimate enemy, of fear. i have a gift of simplifying the veriest origin of number one, the existence in space and the role of space in existence. try me.
guest
07/09/2009 (30 weeks ago)
baloney detector, "the overdosed man" drugs are needed, reaction is imminent (the sequel).
baloney detector
07/08/2009 (30 weeks ago)

>medication from the truth. to become the puppet. baloney detector " the slave of the 21st century" (the looking decent edition).


They probably gave you the wrong medication. Tell them you've got delusions of grandeur and you like playing with puppets.
guest
07/08/2009 (30 weeks ago)
>Looks like you ran out of medication again.

medication from the truth. to become the puppet. baloney detector " the slave of the 21st century" (the looking decent edition).
guest
07/08/2009 (30 weeks ago)
can anyone explain in plain english, the basics of magnetism (magnetic field, electromagnetism etc.) and the questions science ask until now. i do not fully understand why there are soo many topic in magnetic world. but i may have what it takes to understand its behaviour once i fully understand the basics of magnetism. whatever the outcome is, you can have it. but i promise you, i will give you theories that will flip you upsidedown. i will make you think way beyond one's imagination. i will make you understand laws that makes up the previous laws. i will even make you a law that will unify every law. i will give you an end to infinity and life for an energy which death, gathers to become the ultimate enemy, of fear. i have a gift of simplifying the veriest origin of number one, the existence in space and the role of space in existence. try me.
baloney detector
07/08/2009 (30 weeks ago)

>i will give you an end to infinity and life for an energy which death, gathers to become the ultimate enemy, of fear. i have a gift of simplifying the veriest origin of number one, the existence in space and the role of space in existence. try me.

Looks like you ran out of medication again. Better get to the pharmacy to get a refill.
guest
07/08/2009 (30 weeks ago)
can anyone explain in plain english, the basics of magnetism (magnetic field, electromagnetism etc.) and the questions science ask until now. i do not fully understand why there are soo many topic in magnetic world. but i may have what it takes to understand its behaviour once i fully understand the basics of magnetism. whatever the outcome is, you can have it. but i promise you, i will give you theories that will flip you upsidedown. i will make you think way beyond one's imagination. i will make you understand laws that makes up the previous laws. i will even make you a law that will unify every law. i will give you an end to infinity and life for an energy which death, gathers to become the ultimate enemy, of fear. i have a gift of simplifying the veriest origin of number one, the existence in space and the role of space in existence. try me.
guest
07/08/2009 (30 weeks ago)
can anyone explain in plain english, the basics of magnetism (magnetic field, electromagnetism etc.) and the questions science ask until now. i do not fully understand why there are soo many topic in magnetic world. but i may have what it takes to understand its behaviour once i fully understand the basics of magnetism. whatever the outcome is, you can have it. but i promise you, i will give you theories that will flip you upsidedown. i will make you think way beyond one's imagination. i will make you understand laws that makes up the previous laws. i will even make you a law that will unify every law. i will give you an end to infinity and life for and energy which death, gathers to become the ultimate enemy, of fear. i have a gift of simplifying the veriest origin of number one, the existence in space and the role of space in existence. try me.
another tech guest
07/08/2009 (30 weeks ago)
Tesla was a nut case. All of his experiments have been published, and there's nothing stopping anyone from using them. His later inventions were worthless. There's no conspiracy.
Shane
07/08/2009 (30 weeks ago)
This technology can be refined and used bay all. Nicola Tesla had already established this technology at the turn of the 20th centry. To answer the question why hasen't this technology taken off. The big financial leaders and corperations do not want the general public to harness free energy. This isn't a conspiracy theory this is reality. Tesla all ready esperienced first hand what happens when financial pupetiers manipulate beliefs back in the early 1900's. If want to hear about some massive injustice, just google Tesla and read up on the genius.
Hangar#8
07/07/2009 (30 weeks ago)
At time time, 47% of the people on this board are quite sure that an all-magnet motor is possible, while 16% think it is impossible. That might be comforting for the believers, but they should realize that the laws of physics can not be changed by a vote.

No use for me trying to talk about it anymore. I'm gone too.
guest with a brain
07/07/2009 (30 weeks ago)
Philosophical guest and others, I am oficially giving up, because you are right, I am repeating myself. You have made your points and I have made my points. It was interesting, and it is a worthwhile exercise for everyone to express their opinions.

I hope that Sterling Allen is also reading this because he started the poll. I wish everyone well and farewell to Micahael Jackson, may you rest in prace.
another tech guest
07/07/2009 (30 weeks ago)
The working of the maxforce engine is fairly obvious. There's a pulley on the right side with a v-belt connected to an electric motor hidden under the maxforce, which turns the maxforce.
Runners
07/07/2009 (31 weeks ago)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO5ASxjwi14&feature=related

Youtube link to a fully working prototype I described earlier in this forum.

I can tell you exactly how it works.
guest
07/07/2009 (31 weeks ago)
Do you want to make 4 billion dollar(US)?
Just give me a working all-magnet-motor and the drawings that will make me able to replicate it.

Any takers ?
guest
07/07/2009 (31 weeks ago)
guest with a brain

what made you think, i need to do some research when my argument is totally different from yours. my argument is that an individual should be free. free to the things they want to do, and what they'd like to think regarless of the things they know.

and wow, 500 hundred years huh, what are you now, playin notradamus? excatly, what equation and laws did you use to under estimate the capability of a human mind? and your using money as a moral lesson? do you really think, those hundreds of people who are spending thousands of money have problems with raising their children and education, knowing that their money is going somewhere a little impractical, where it doesnt have any scientific background?

out of all these hundreds of people following such an idea, wouldnt you think, at least one of them is an educated person? now think, why is this person in this bussiness or spending his own money (private experiment)to something that doesnt qualify to his equations and laws (regardless the scams)? and do you really think that you are the first person to be critisising these group of people, and that ones youve delivered your message they will stop experimenting? guest with a brain, they already know. instead, to them you sound like a broken record. these people defies their knowledge and cannot be change by something they already know. think of them as kids, who wants to have fun and will keep coming back no matter how much you tell them no to, till they learned their own lessons and will eventually mature up to it. they are adults, they dont need your type of comments and they have a different purpose in life than yours.

guest with a brain, how many times do i have to repeat this, i get your point. you have a good argument, but not deep enough, your argument is very shallow. your trying to fix a problem from the top when the root of the problem is at the very bottom. its like trying to empty a boat full of water when theres a big whole underneath the boat.
guest with a brain
07/06/2009 (31 weeks ago)
A few comments, mainly directed at the philosophical guest. By the way, it seems that English is not your first language, but you express yourself quite well. Sometimes what you are trying to say does not quite work, with phrases like "disaster in life."

I just have a feeling that you have a hunch that one day magnet motors will become reality. In pursuit of that hope you seem to have no problem with thousands of innocent people wasting their money giving it to crackpots and con artists. It seems that you can rationalize this all away because eventually someone is going to get lucky and finally give some money to someone that actually has working magnet motor technology. If my feelings about your motivations are correct, then you sir are on the wrong side of the correct moral and ethical way to behave. Having your brother loose all his money with the false hope that it will benefit you and society is absolutely wrong. Me myself, I care about those people loosing all their money. That is money that should be spent wisely, on their children, on education, etc.

Someone asked the reason I am here. A few years ago I did a search on "free energy" on YouTube just for the fun of it. I was quite shocked to see how large the community and cottage industry is. Without wanting to sound too far out, I view some of this as a form of "free energy Nazism" where people think that getting a proper education is bad for you and "programs" your brain. It is akin to the Nazis burning books and rejecting "Jewish science." It's fun to try to educate people, and stand up for what is right. It is almost shocking to see how some people who have no understanding of what they are doing will believe that they are right. So many people on YouTube are convinced that every second "free energy" clip is the real thing and refuse to open their minds and try for a deeper level of understanding.

Now speaking of laws, Ampere's law:

Ampère's law states that the line integral of B.ds around any closed path equals (mu)I, where I is the total steady current passing through the surface bounded by the closed path.

If there is no current flowing through the surface bounded by the closed path, then the result of integrating around the magnetic field is zero, because the current is zero.

This means that no energy can be gained when you travel through the arbitrary closed path.

In an all-magnet "magnetic motor" by definition there is no electric current flowing through the device. It you pick any point on the rotor and have it travel through the circular path that the rotor follows, when you get back to the starting point, the net energy gain or loss will be zero, since there is no current flowing through the closed surface bounded by the circular path the rotor takes.

What that means in plain English is that that you can try an infinite number of magnet configurations for your "magnet motor" and you will never end up gaining enery when you travel through one full circle.

We saw this demonstrated recently when hundreds of people tried thousands and thousands of magnet combinations for the stator and rotor magnets to try to reproduce one of the many fake "Mylow" motor configuratons. None of them worked. They could have continued doing this literally forever, and it still would have not yielded a positive result.

Philosophical guest is hoping that after 500 years someone will find a "magic" combination that works, and he has no problem seeing money spent by other people in pursuit of this hopeless quest. The argument that you have to be "open minded" and not "restrict your possibilities" in this particular case is absolutely and utterly wrong.

Ampere's law rules, and the thing to do is use your intelligence to understand this, and move forward and direct your money and energies towards more productive projects where there really are possibilities. In the case of the "magnet motor" it is a dead end.

That the real deal, philosophical guest. It takes some understanding and using of your imagination to understand this. Why don't you do some research and use your intelligence and imagination to arrive at this realization? If you suceed, when the next Mylow comes along, you can give the proper advice to those people that can't understand this.
tech guest
07/06/2009 (31 weeks ago)
> To "guest with a brain", "Hangar #8", "tech guest":

>I too am well educated in engineering and physics. However, despite your denigrations, I can only surmise that the reason that the three of you are here is that despite all rational knowledge, you are searching for a glimmer of hope, like I, that there may be some progress in this search for "free energy". Or else why would we spend the time reading sites like this?


I was looking up some information on magnetism, found this site by chance, read the posts and decided to participate in the discussion. That's basically it.
tech guest
07/06/2009 (31 weeks ago)
Kepler:
I think we can probably agree on several points. The main part of the dispute seems to revolve around the definition of the term "free energy."

> The story about the electron microscope is true, I will site the source in the next week or so when I have time to go through my old text books.

If you could find the source of that story I would appreciate it as I'd be interested in reading about it. Thanks.
Hangar#8
07/06/2009 (31 weeks ago)
That last comment was mine...
guest
07/06/2009 (31 weeks ago)
The question is: Do you think an all-magnet motor (no electrical input) is possible?

Guest, I think you misunderstand what I said. I do not "want" to witness their failure to produce a magnet motor, I simply see it as the eventual result. I would love to someone achive the dream of free energy, but I have witnessed the failure to do so for as long as I lived.

That dream has been around for over a hundred years, but it has been mostly the domain of crackpots and con men who keep saying they will get a working model by the end of the year. Doesn't just that make you wonder?

I still maintain that personal attacks and smart comments will not add anything positive to the discussion. Did any of the believers ever read a scientific journal? Do you have any idea on how to design a magnet motor?

The way I see it, instead of a philosophical argument about the desirability of a magnet motor, this should be a discussion about the technical aspects and the principles of operation needed to be applied to produce such a device. Any idea on that?
baloney detector
07/06/2009 (31 weeks ago)

>those people are doing it for a living, not because they dont know what there doing, obviously if they are fooling people, then they have a better survival instinct than you do, they have the imagination and the guts, you dont. and heres your job and for all the individuals, just dont get fooled, if you get fooled dont come around here and start blaming people.

>they found a different purpose to their knowledge but it doesnt give you and guest with a brain the right to put and end to their creativity just so that little percentage of those talented minds will stop building and selling fake motors.


Is that you Mylow? End the charade and just admit it.
guest
07/06/2009 (31 weeks ago)
>Make sure you stick around. Those special minds that are building and selling fake motors need your protection.

if they choose to go on that path, it doesnt make them know less than you do. they found a different purpose to their knowledge but it doesnt give you and guest with a brain the right to put and end to their creativity just so that little percentage of those talented minds will stop building and selling fake motors.
guest
07/06/2009 (31 weeks ago)
>Make sure you stick around. Those special minds that are building and selling fake motors need your protection.

go eat more of your own baloney, for all we know your just the other side of guest with a brain. those people are doing it for a living, not because they dont know what there doing, obviously if they are fooling people, then they have a better survival instinct than you do, they have the imagination and the guts, you dont. and heres your job and for all the individuals, just dont get fooled, if you get fooled dont come around here and start blaming people. your fault you deal with it. and those people who lost their money, they already know what you know, what do you think they are, a little kid or something? they just want to waste their extra money. if you dont have that money then you and guest with a brain got nothing to worry about because like you said, your not going to get fooled right?
baloney detector
07/06/2009 (31 weeks ago)

>go express your opinion, thats your right but i will stick around to make sure those special minds will not just easily give in towards your disaster in life.

Make sure you stick around. Those special minds that are building and selling fake motors need your protection.
guest
07/06/2009 (31 weeks ago)
>but they will not add anything positive to this discussion.

hangar#8 i think you have not read enough comment about this subject. i have witness many possitive comments in this discussion, but none of them makes an impact at all. then one must realise that, this is not what the other person has to say, its about what you've got to say. theres no real answer to this question at this point, its still on the process of getting understood.

>But I am in great shape, and probably will be around for a few more years to witness the failure of your friends to produce a motor working solely on magnets.

let me ask you something hangar#8, why want to witness the failure, is this what youve learnt in life, is this what makes you happy? if im wrong please explain, because its kind of scary hearing such a statement coming from someone who has been around for a while.

>I tried that years ago, and it does not work.

its a good thing to hear that you tried, at least you tried to make a difference. you deserved a tap on the back. if your experiment did not work, dont worry it doenst stop with you.

i dont mind hanging with someone as old as you, but not so can educate me (i think you have some updating to do), but so that you can tell all the good and the bad experience you had in life, be the inspiration and give some last words of wisdom.
guest
07/05/2009 (31 weeks ago)
>lol Poor philosophical guest, your brain is hurting!

im just being sarcastic this time, sorry if you cant tell.

>Ignorant and foolish people look at the voltage spike and think that it is "magic radiant energy." Therefore John Bedini and many others have made their careers out of manipulating these ignorant and foolish people. They have developed a whole "free energy" cottage industry just because an inductor can make a voltage spike; v = L di/dt.

lets start with these people having some sort of education, unless you tell me that the pysics they learnt from school is totally different from yours, then there got to be something wrong with that. so basicly they already know what you know, but heres the thing, you dont know what they know. these people are examining other possibilities further than its been thought at school. and those people who are funding this subject, if they have the money im sure they were able to afford to go to school sometime in their life to also know what you know. now you see guest with a brain, you dont have what it takes to go deeper of the knowledge you carry. all there is to you is that an apple will always come from an apple tree.

>Then there are other people like you, that have hopes and dreams that something new will be discovered so that all-magnet motors can be manufactured.

this is not excatly my dream guest with a brain. im simply doing what im doing right now to stop such negativity in life (dont know what happened to you, but i dont want to know unless you let it out) to reach those young minds who are still very fresh in life and can imagine the things you cant even dream of. you are not good to be around those young minds because your argument can be very convencing and can corrupt and will allow this creative minds to be narrowed down and have a very different attitude and approach towards life and progress.

>Just because I made this statement does NOT mean that I am completely closed-minded, so don't say it.

you are at the end a closed minded person.you cant think further than what you know "nothing special".

>I find that offensive and there is nothing that you can do or say to stop me from expressing my opinion.

go express your opinion, thats your right but i will stick around to make sure those special minds will not just easily give in towards your disaster in life.

another tech guest
07/05/2009 (31 weeks ago)
To "guest with a brain", "Hangar #8", "tech guest":

I too am well educated in engineering and physics. However, despite your denigrations, I can only surmise that the reason that the three of you are here is that despite all rational knowledge, you are searching for a glimmer of hope, like I, that there may be some progress in this search for "free energy". Or else why would we spend the time reading sites like this?
Hangar#8
07/05/2009 (31 weeks ago)
To whoever is posting anonymously under the name of "guest" and who gets upset because I don't agree with him: you can keep your smart replies coming as long as you want, but they will not add anything positive to this discussion. You can be dismissive by saying " i think you are getting too old." but it does not strenghten your case.
I am simply stating my opinions based on a lifetime of knowledge, and it is too bad you can not recognize my right to do so. After all, you use the same right to express yours.
Based on my experience, let me say this: A magnet motor might work if the magnetic field was acting like a focused jet of water; I tried that years ago, and it does not work. So I don't bother playing with magnets anymore, except to use them as door latches.
I am 67, so you are probably younger than me, and chances are you will be alive long after I am dead. But I am in great shape, and probably will be around for a few more years to witness the failure of your friends to produce a motor working solely on magnets. And I will still post as Hangar#8.
Let's talk about it again when you have a Magnetic Maxforce Engine in your car. In the meantime I will be flying my aircraft with the old internal combustion engine.
guest with a brain
07/05/2009 (31 weeks ago)
lol Poor philosophical guest, your brain is hurting! Close your eyes and clench your fists and maybe if you think hard enough your fantasies will come true!

You cannot get energy from magnets, period. The fact that they can demonstrate magnetic attraction and repulsion is enough to make ingorant and foolish people believe that they can be used as a source of energy. That of course attracts other people that want to make money off of the ignorant and foolish people.

Then there are other people like you, that have hopes and dreams that something new will be discovered so that all-magnet motors can be manufactured. Your hopes are false, it will never happen. Just because I made this statement does NOT mean that I am completely closed-minded, so don't say it.

Take a look for example at inductors. Incductors can discharge their stored energy in the form of a voltage spike. Ignorant and foolish people look at the voltage spike and think that it is "magic radiant energy." Therefore John Bedini and many others have made their careers out of manipulating these ignorant and foolish people. They have developed a whole "free energy" cottage industry just because an inductor can make a voltage spike; v = L di/dt.

I find that offensive and there is nothing that you can do or say to stop me from expressing my opinion.
guest
07/05/2009 (31 weeks ago)
>How people can behave like this is beyond me.

(guest with a brain) how can YOU keep behaving like this? leave them alone, if they want to have conversation with each other, then youve got nothing to do with it. people loose their money and its not yours. those people getting scammed had been warned many times already so obviously they dont care if they loose their money, perhaps what they care about is that one day it may work and theres not a damn thing your equations and laws can do about it.
guest with a brain
07/05/2009 (31 weeks ago)
Let's take a look at the "Maxforce engine."

Here is the decsription on the YouTube page:

> 'generator&engine' make use of magnetic force of permanent magnet and magnetic action

Here is guest #1's spin on the clip:

> There is no explanation given, but to me the setup is very obviouse and can even be simplified. The camshafts either side are driven by magnets that are pulled to the rotor 50% of the rotation and repelled the other 50%, Inertia helps to pass through the cross over point, only issue is the machines required to make this. No problem to industry that can create a beugati Veyrom W16 to make free non poluting power a reality !

Here is guest #2's spin on the clip:

> The Japanese Maxpower Magnet Motor on youtube clearly shows a working motor and how it works.A centre rotor has 180 degrees of magnets facing south outwards and 180 degrees of magnets facing north outwards, these drive magnets on a cam which in turn drive the rotor.Any dead areas are overcome by multiple rotors out of phase.

Those comments are classic examples of "free energy" "bulshitters bullshitting bullshitters." Those two guests could have a conversation with each other about the "Maxforce engine" where every statement is nonsensical garbage and they will agree with each other. How people can behave like this is beyond me.

The "Maxforce engine" is a prop, just like the "Perendev motor" is a prop. They are objects that were built to impress gullible investors and con money out of them.

The "Maxforce engine" is powered by an electric motor hidden inside the cabinet. In the clip, they intentionally do not show you the "motor" starting because you would probably hear the real electric motor starting up and even lay people would get a sense that something is powering the device.

Somebody will say "The Maxforce engine is real!" Really? Something tells me there is not a single "Maxforce engine" doing any useful work anywhere on the planet.

Steorn update: The "jury" of real scientists that Steorn selected submitted a statement two weeks ago saying that Steorn has not proven that their system can produce any "free energy." The "jury" worked with Steorn for 2 1/2 years.

MEANWHILE, the Steorn "CEO" issued a statement thanking the "jury" of real scientists stating that very recently they worked the bugs out of their "technology" and will be launching the product at the end of this year.

It's unbelievable the crap that goes on in the "free energy" cottage industry.
guest
07/05/2009 (31 weeks ago)
>'Fantasies are not good enough for me.' "who are you again, the president of the united states?"
not the same guest.

>Not so, magnetism is very well understood by scientists.
what is wrong with you people? an educated person with some kind of degree says its not very will understood and then another says its very will understood. is anyone of you people sure if our school teaching the right stuff?

>But that should not be relevant for this discussion; if it is, tell me what you did that was so much better.
oh please, you fly your aircraft then you come on this site to comment about magnetic motor? keep flying your aircraft while i keep educating this people who doesnt have any imagination.

>I don't get upset if you don't agree with me
its a sarcasm way to wake you people up that this subject is not for an individual, its for the future. with all due respect, if you really are old, i think you are getting too old.

>I spent the last fifty years working in the field of electronics and instrumentation, and I have a pretty good idea of how things work. I experimented with magnets, and can't see how a motor powered solely by magnets is possible.
your whole life is not going to answer all the questions in this universe.

>Just don't forget that the subject is "Do you think an all-magnet motor (no electrical input) is possible?"
im on your side on this one. this people commenting about this subject has gone too far and started making up there own answers and criticising the other. i wonder why they cant criticise themselves?
Kepler
07/05/2009 (31 weeks ago)
I said I wouldn't comment anymore but tech guest actually has offered a real debate and actual respectable argument. I never said anything about violating thermodynamics.

I thought I very plainly stated what I was referring to was a monetary "free" and that the cost of energy is related to the market, supply and demand, and politics. Though I guess I was being sarcastic and off topic. If you read I say highly efficient energy production over and over again not free. I don't believe it is possible to produce something out of nothing.

What you are referring to about anti matter while being correct is not complete. It is a brand new study so.. give it time before you say highly unlikely, that is only your point of view and has no evidence in fact I have heard the opposite from people involved on projects at the LHC. The potential is certainly there.

Yes plasma generated and magnetic fusion take more than you get out TODAY (its an estimated 40 years away before that changes) but that does not mean it would not change if there was a realistic amount of research money put into it.

Read the U.S. Navy labs report on cold fusion from may 24th 2009.

The reason I posted here to begin with was to say the purpose of these arguments seems to miss the real point and underlying question. I believe that the magnetic devices being experimented with have a purpose of increasing efficiency in energy production. Why get caught up in perpetual motion. It is good enough to have a device that is 75% more efficient then what is in use today.

Carbon fuels are great because they have been compressed over time to create a compact easy to use fuel source. So we don't have to wait for the research. However we have no choice but to come up with something else.. we are running out (especially with India and China growing so rapidly).


The connection I was making with Scalar Tension and alike comments 1st was to prove it is ridiculous to attack me on not being wordy enough to be what I say I am. 2nd there is a connection. The connection is that often times in research it is a person's understanding of many different disciplines that provide insight into the problem. Often overspecialization creates a narrow way of thinking that can ruin inspiration, ingenuity, and creativity. Great for building a machine not so good for theoretical research. When you look historically at great innovators rarely do you see narrow minds. A lot of the time they are multidisciplinary creative geniuses that have to fight through everyone's disbelief.

What I was referring to about the physical energy system of the cosmos was the combination of all aspects we have been able to discover so far (radiation, scalar waves, dark matter?, magnetic fields, gravity, etc). The sum of all the parts. How they work together and interact and what their purpose is.

The story about the electron microscope is true, I will site the source in the next week or so when I have time to go through my old text books. The point of the story was that it broke many physicists belief system apart and proved their rivals correct.

I know there are magnetic devices that run on very little input. I watched my father build one for an engineering project for RIT about 15 years ago. It is similar to one I saw on peswiki. Never was it supposed to be perpetual motion though, just highly efficient.

Finally, I am young and passionate.. almost idealistic. I get heated when people make really assertive incorrect arguments, which ironically makes me make poor arguments by getting upset. So yes I said some things I should have thought through and am definitely working on that aspect of my personality.

Hangar#8
07/05/2009 (31 weeks ago)
There are so many people going under the name of 'guest' that we don't know who is who... Anyway, the following is for the one taking me to task for stating that 'Fantasies are not good enough for me.' By that I was saying that fantasies are not the same as evidence, and I am asking for evidence that a motor powered solely by magnets is possible.

Just don't forget that the subject is "Do you think an all-magnet motor (no electrical input) is possible?"

Them he asks: "who are you again, the president of the united states?" Who I am is totally irrelevant here. I am simply giving my opinion, like everybody else. I don't get upset if you don't agree with me, and I expect the same courtesy from everybody else.

"no one cares whats good enough for you on not. if you dont believe in it, go on with your life," There again, I don't put my life on hold for this discussion, and I expect that nobody else does either.

" but if you think there is potential to it then start experimenting on your own" I spent the last fifty years working in the field of electronics and instrumentation, and I have a pretty good idea of how things work. I experimented with magnets, and can't see how a motor powered solely by magnets is possible.

" because no one can really tell you the whole equation of this magnetics." Not so, magnetism is very well understood by scientists.

"even if there is a working motor out there, its a one off invention and wont be able to explain to anybody how its really behaving." Really? Let me say that you must be kidding! How can you invent anything unless you understand how it works? You can not throw a bunch of stuff in a box and shake it and expect a working gadget to come out of there.

" it if you think you have what it takes then go on and work on it but if you think its never going to work then go back to what ever it is you were doing before." Like I already said, I did not put my life on hold for this discussion. Since my first post, amongst other things I spent over three hours flying my own aircraft followed by four fellow flyers. But that should not be relevant for this discussion; if it is, tell me what you did that was so much better.
guest
07/05/2009 (31 weeks ago)
TO ALL OF YOU,

the people who says it works- there are no evidence!

the people who says its impossible- be carefull because there are laws and equations that had been corrected through out science.

this is still an on going research at this point. your yes and no will not justify what this magnetics is all about.
if you have nothing else better to do, go have some popcorn and watch tv.
guest
07/04/2009 (31 weeks ago)
>Present me with a plausible explanation on how it might work, and I will look into it. Fantasies are not good enough for me.

who are you again, the president of the united states? no one cares whats good enough for you on not. if you dont believe in it, go on with your life, but if you think there is potential to it then start experimenting on your own because no one can really tell you the whole equation of this magnetics. even if there is a working motor out there, its a one off invention and wont be able to explain to anybody how its really behaving. if you think you have what it takes then go on and work on it but if you think its never going to work then go back to what ever it is you were doing before.
tech guest
07/04/2009 (31 weeks ago)
Kepler wrote:

> There are plenty of things that science has discovered that were impossible (in fact the first gaze into the electron microscope made some physicists vomit it was so "impossible").

> I want to make the point also especially to those who say "free energy" is impossible you are absolutely misleading people.


You probably meant to say that science has discovered things that were THOUGHT to be impossible. And from this you conclude that it's possible to violate the laws of thermodynamics, specifically the first and second laws. That's a popular line of reasoning, and laypersons in particular seem to find it convincing. But unfortunately, it is a fallacy.
The argument generally proceeds like this: there were some scientists who thought that phenomenon X is impossible and who were shown to be wrong; therefore phenomenon Y is possible. In this case: scientists who thought that the electron microscope would be impossible were wrong, therefore "free energy" is a possibility. That is a fallacy. It's like arguing that since some scientists were wrong who postulated the existence of the luminiferous ether or asserted the indivisibility of atoms, other scientists might have been wrong when they determined values for the mass of the electron or the speed of light. Such an argument is a non sequitur.

By the way, the electron microscope was invented by physicists. I can tell you from experience that the common reaction among scientists to a breakthrough discovery or invention is excitement and fascination, and a desire to learn more about it. So the story about physicists vomiting when they saw electron micrographs doesn't seem plausible.

There is a good reason for asserting that "free energy" is impossible, namely, the overwhelming quantity of evidence supporting the laws of thermodynamics. The burden of proof is on those who claim that "free energy" is possible and, by implication, that perpetual motion machines are possible. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. But we have no evidence, nor do we have any convincing arguments in support of such claims.


> In my field the Baconian version of science most curmudgeons speak of is not used so much.

I haven't seen anybody here trying to promote Baconianism.


> There is Systems Theory, Sub Atomic Theory, Relativity, Quantum Mechanics etc. All these types of thought started with what most would consider a leap of faith.

I suppose you could put it that way. I would rather think of it as intuition, and by intuition I mean incomplete and imprecise knowledge or comprehension. Take for example the wave-mechanical interpretation of quantum mechanics. When Schrödinger had developed his well-known equation using eigenvalues, he said that he came up with it through intuition. But he didn't create it out of thin air. The equation is actually based on classical wave mechanics and a solid understanding of classical physics. And this is true generally for all new scientific discoveries and developments. They depend on a firm empirical and conceptual foundation. Modern physics is based extensively on experimental evidence and could not have been developed without it. So if you are going to assert that "free energy" is possible, you will need an empirical basis to support that assertion.


> This Universe is still very much a mystery and lets be honest magnetics and magnetic fields are curios things and not entirely understood.

True, there is still a lot of research to be done. Nobody is disputing that.


> free energy happens every day in the cosmos

True, but the free energy you are referring to is thermodynamic free energy, which is entirely different from the fictional "free energy" of magnetic motors that is the subject of the discussion here. Trying to conflate the two will only obfuscate the issue.


> The energy issue is geo political and has nothing to do with possibility. There is so much potential in the fields of string theory, atomic physics, and quantum mechanics for finding "free energy" you who say its impossible are ignorant to modern molecular and atomic theory.

If the energy issue has nothing to do with possibility, then the question "is an all-magnet motor possible" is irrelevant. I don't think it is. If you are going to argue that "free energy" can be developed through modern physics, then you are also arguing that through modern physics certain fundamental laws of physics can be violated. And yet modern physics is based on, and derives from, those same fundamental laws. It's a circular argument, and a potential fallacy.



> The universe, our solar system, and the earth operate with a physical energy system that we are learning more about every day.

What physical energy system are you referring to? Thermonuclear energy from the core of the sun? Gravitational potential energy? The hypothetical "dark energy" that is thought to power the expansion of the universe? I don't see what this has to do with magnetic motors and perpetual motion machines.


> Just think... what if we can harness the power of anti matter/ matter collisions....

Not likely to happen. The residual remains of antimatter are located in interstellar and intergalactic space, and the tiny amounts of antimatter on earth are produced by cosmic rays or in the lab. It takes more energy to create antimatter in the lab than is produced by its annihilation.


> the Earth operates in an extremely efficient energy system so of course it is possible to understand and recreate a similar event.

Which energy system do you mean, and which event can be recreated?


> It may not be 100% perpetual motion but by the time the earth stops moving we (hopefully) will all be long gone. The tides in the ocean itself are almost in perpetual motion.

We can convert tides in the ocean and tidal friction into electricity. It's already being done. This doesn't mean that perpetual motion machines are possible.


> Many people in my field end up designing weapons. If we had different priorities we would be developing energy creating devices with the same technology.

Absolutely agree with you there. If some of the funding and resources that are used to develop weapons and conduct wars were to be diverted to productive purposes, our civilization would be in a better state.



> I had a full scholarship to Mcgill from the physics department and am finishing my PHD at the university of Chicago.

I think one should be careful about using one's qualifications to support an argument. You run the risk of committing the "argument from authority" fallacy. Though I have similar qualifications (in computational physics) I try not to use them in a debate because they are irrelevant. The argument should stand on its own merit.


> Logic is not the only thing in this Universe

If you mean that (informal) logic is not the only paradigm with which to understand the universe, I agree (neither is Realism, but that's a subject for another debate). But you can't argue with the success of mathematics and the formal logic it is based on.


> Magnetic motors are a big part of creating efficiency.

Wouldn't you first have to make sure that magnetic motors exist before claiming that they are part of creating efficiency?

Topics like non-Abelian gauge theory and string theory would seem to be a distraction from the main issue, but if you can explain the connection, I would be interested in learning.

Anyway, that's about it. I don't plan to write much more on the subject since I don't have time for it, but I invite comments or criticisms.
guest
07/04/2009 (31 weeks ago)
This Technology has been working since the steam age using the same switching systems as used for steam, unfortunately the coal and oil industries making a fortune and goverments making a fortune in taxes have allways been higher on the agenda than the environment or people, " Free power = free perpetual clean water to third world countries just for starters "
guest
07/04/2009 (31 weeks ago)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO5ASxjwi14&feature=related

There is no explanation given, but to me the setup is very obviouse and can even be simplified. The camshafts either side are driven by magnets that are pulled to the rotor 50% of the rotation and repelled the other 50%, Inertia helps to pass through the cross over point, only issue is the machines required to make this. No problem to industry that can create a beugati Veyrom W16 to make free non poluting power a reality !
guest
07/04/2009 (31 weeks ago)
The Japanese Maxpower Magnet Motor on youtube clearly shows a working motor and how it works.A centre rotor has 180 degrees of magnets facing south outwards and 180 degrees of magnets facing north outwards, these drive magnets on a cam which in turn drive the rotor.Any dead areas are overcome by multiple rotors out of phase.
Hangar#8
07/04/2009 (31 weeks ago)
From what I know about magnetism, I don't see how a magnet motor could work without adding energy from some outside source. Any claims I have seen on Youtube is shown in very bad video, and very badly explained (when explained at all). I believe that all previous claims have been made by crackpots and con men, because nobody has built a working model, they are all talk. Present me with a plausible explanation on how it might work, and I will look into it. Fantasies are not good enough for me.
guest
07/04/2009 (31 weeks ago)
>Show me a working prototype, please...

you people, stop making it sound like this work about magnetic motors (research)is about proving someone wrong. this work is for tomorrow (future). this is a continuing work and will only stop when someone fully understand its its actual behavior.

because this is a curious thing for us at this point, there are people out there genuinly working on it and there are also people taking advantage of it.

if your not one of those people, your job is not to get on the way of those people really working on it and also not be fooled by those who just wants your money.
and thats it, problem solved, we can all go home and eat our dinner. if you got fooled, will maybe you might have to skip dinner but if you want to work on this magnetics, will go ahead it maybe you who will finally figure this whole magnetics out.
guest
07/04/2009 (31 weeks ago)
>Show me a working prototype, please...

no one needs to show you. if it works then its a big break through for the human kind, not for you but for all the human kind. til then, we can only hope it does.
Hangar#8
07/04/2009 (31 weeks ago)
My knowledge of physics tells me that it is impossible. But there are plenty of crackpots and con men who will say otherwise. They keep telling you they will have a working model by the end of the year, and the years pass on and on...
Show me a working prototype, please...
magnetic research
07/03/2009 (31 weeks ago)
I know it is the energy we on earth are supposed to be using. I know there are skeptics that will say it won't work. I know that since 1960's that I have been waiting for the so called inventors to come up with it. Realized that most are after fame and fortune, and have they used and found just that. Have they ruined it. No, they just aren't the ones good enough to develope it being that greed and envy were their driving characters. When the human race breeds for the human race and not personal goals they will achieve more. Until then the rest of us just have to wait. To a scientific argument on the up and down or strange and true. It is a basic concept that will take configuring and new technology. Also the super conducting magnet that needs to be frozen was part of this as was the supercomputer and the personal computer to let everyone in with the same technology. Seems as present noone uses it for such. Thank you for the space.
baloney detector
07/03/2009 (31 weeks ago)

>Actually, Kepler was way out there.

Are you talking about the real Kepler or the phd guy? In either case, you've got a point.
guest
07/03/2009 (31 weeks ago)
>Therefore, if you say it's "impossible" for you to be a total bullshitter, you must be brain dead. I get it.

yeh, i get it too. go eat your baloney. if ever you choke, its ok no ones going to blame you.
Herman
07/03/2009 (31 weeks ago)
Actually, Kepler was way out there. He used harmonics and prime ratios to study the solar system. He figured out the planets used an elliptical revolution by studying actual musical unichord strings. He also wrote the harmonous mundi which used acoustic ratios to gauge the planet distances. For instance 3:2 is a perfect fifth in acoustics. He used acoustic ratios and applied them to the universe he was interpreting and thought they would apply to all kinds of things like planet distances. He was kinda right. But guest with a brain please site your source for your model of the solar system. Be fair. This is exactly what you do to others.
baloney detector
07/03/2009 (31 weeks ago)

>he probably didnt say that, but he is the same type who says the things they cant imagine is "impossible". brain dead.

Therefore, if you say it's "impossible" for you to be a total bullshitter, you must be brain dead. I get it.
guest
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)
>If he said quantum computers or nanobots are impossible, then he's wrong. But where did he say that?

he probably didnt say that, but he is the same type who says the things they cant imagine is "impossible". brain dead.
guest
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)
>I know nothing about what the US Navy labs have done.

your are funny in a bitter way, ill have to agree with that.

since you know nothing about some things that happens around the world today, how can you be soo sure about the things you say? "it doesnt work" "it will never happen" what is that? i think guest with a brain, you need to be updated with your so called "knowledge".

i think you are the one who doesnt smell right. havent you notice when a guest state their profession despite the fact that they give an example that you seem clueless about, you say things like "it doesnt smell right" "i dont believe that for a second".

guest with a brain, its coming out, the things you know is not enough and dont combine it with your ego because it makes it worse.
guest with a brain
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)
> Guest with a brain you really are a bitter man.

And why are you saying that? It's more straw man nonsense! Enough!

> Your model of the solar system is not accurate either. As a scientist please show me where you find this model of the solar system being used in Physics?

Now here is where we go off the deep end with a loopy question. Ironically I think it was Kepler (the real Kepler) that figured it all out in the 16th century. Therefore you will find the model EVERYWHERE!

I can just see all of you having a shit-fit because we are in the "Quantum mechanics aware" 21st century, and will launch attacks at me because I am "out of date." NO WAY, time to WAKE UP all of you. My description of the solar system is correct, and the reason it was brought up is beause "Jed" was speculating about how it was "powered", which is nonsense.

I am no expert on cold fusion, all that I can tell you is that TODAY, there are no cold fusion setups that put out more power than you put in. I know nothing about what the US Navy labs have done.
Herman i
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)
"Cold fusion in 1989, the replications failed and it turned out to be a false hope"

Excuse me false hope. What you don't explain is that U.S. Navy laboratories have created significant breakthroughs in cold fusion, they released the information on may 24 2009.



Herman i
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)
I will assure you I work for Motorola. While I may not design satellites I am acutely familiar with our space insurance costs and what they are from. I am just a "dabbler in physics" but I comprehend many of the theories and many of the equations just fine.

Guest with a brain you really are a bitter man. Your model of the solar system is not accurate either. As a scientist please show me where you find this model of the solar system being used in Physics?

Also where is your proof that cold fusion is a hoax? MIT doesn't think so and neither does their advanced engineering department.



guest with a brain
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)
Herman! Are you one of the "solar system guests" that ran into a phone booth for a quick change of clothes? The Motorola/space industry thing for you doesn't smell right either. Or could you be Kepler after a phone booth quickie?

> Show me a definition of your model of the cosmos that is from a University with a Quantum Theory department from the last 20 years.

I only discussed a model for a solar system, not the cosmos.

Philosophical guest and other flavours: Stop trying to bring up arguments attributed to me for things I haven't said! You are playing the straw man argument game to the extreme.

I also think philosophical guest is depressed because he knows that if he makes some pseudoscience statements (BSers BSing BSers) about "magnetic motors" he knows that he is going to be shot down. He also knows in his heart that he is talking nonsense. Hence the long discussions about "lack of imagination" and attempts to tell me I know nothing about things I haven't even posted about.

There are no "magnetic motors."
baloney detector
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)

>I have seen a small magnet motor in operation. the inventor was able to increase and decrease the rpms by removing or adding the magnets. the high end speed was over 4500 RPM.
Now this was a prototype however the possibility is there.
And for the PHD's out there "Think outside the well constructed box you are in"

Tell that phd candidate not to get his phd. Or he'll get boxed in.
herman
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)
funny how guest with a brain can't back up anything he "knows". Show me a definition of your model of the cosmos that is from a University with a Quantum Theory department from the last 20 years. I am no physicist but I do work in the space industry. Seriously you are wrong about this. I have no stake in "free energy". To me its all politics. The cost of a comodity is controlled by supply and demand not science. Yes you have to play to the law of thermo-dynamics somewhere. Does this mean we can't increase ifficiency by 75%? Definetly not.

Kepler made some good points for sure. I also have a B.S. degree and work for motorola. There are some anomolies that occur with our satellites, yes they are in orbit so they are not "in a vacuum" but if we knew so much about space our engineering should be able to fix the problem. Well the opposite is true anomalies in orbit have gone up over 140%. I know this because our insurance costs also go up all the time because of these anomalies. Very few of the anomalies are related to quality control.

It is not pseudoscience to admit you don't know everything its common sense.
guest with a brain
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)
Let's do two guests in one!

The first guest trashes my explanation of how the solar system works that I posted two months ago and says this:

> now that is absolute bullshit and has nothing to do with modern physics. Perhaps you are Newton from a time machine. That theory has long since been disproven.

Then the second guest says this:

> Yup what an idiot space is not a complete vacume. Its filled with plasma and wait for it...Magnetic fields. Hmm I wonder why. Maybe there is something to this magnet stuff.

Congratulations, both of you are typical examples of people that are not smart enough to educate themselves about things that apparently both of you know very little about. You probably only have the vaguest idea of what the physics are that describe how the solar system works and you read or saw some pulp pseudoscience nonsense about the subject somewhere and are happy to blindly repeat it!

It's so sad!!!! The two of you are classic examples of "bullshitters bullshitting bullshitters" and will feel right at home on any "free energy" bulletin board.
guest
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)
Yup what an idiot space is not a complete vacume. Its filled with plasma and wait for it...Magnetic fields. Hmm I wonder why. Maybe there is something to this magnet stuff.
guest
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)
There is nothing powering the planets moving around the solar system. The planets are all in free-fall due to gravity and there is essentially no resistance to their movement. The entire solar system has a rotational momentum just like a spinning top in a frictionless environment. Since there is no energy being drained because there is no friction, the solar system will spin "forever". The solar system has angular momentum due to the rotations of the sun and the orbits of the planets. >You can say that each planet is in an "energy state" that is dependent on how "high" it has been "launched" from the surface of the sun, just like the height of a satellite orbiting the earth or an electron orbiting in its shell. So much for your pseudoscience explanation imagining that something is "powering" the solar system<

now that is absolute bullshit and has nothing to do with modern physics. Perhaps you are Newton from a time machine. That theory has long since been disproven.
guest
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)
He didn't but many did 10 years ago. The point I am making is that you should be weary of bullshit but don't expect everything that seems like a stretch is impossible. Antimatter was assumed impossible by even some scientists then C.E.R.N. created some. Now the pentagon is inventing the terminator 2 style shapable matter. Oh he did say cold fusion was bullshit but I don't think MIT wastes time and money studying bullshit.
Already outside the Box
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)
I have seen a small magnet motor in operation. the inventor was able to increase and decrease the rpms by removing or adding the magnets. the high end speed was over 4500 RPM.
Now this was a prototype however the possibility is there.
And for the PHD's out there "Think outside the well constructed box you are in"
guest
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)
He didn't but many did 10 years ago. The point I am making is that you should be weary of bullshit but don't expect everything that seems like a stretch is impossible. Antimatter was assumed impossible by even some scientists then C.E.R.N. created some. Now the pentagon is inventing the terminator 2 style shapable matter. Oh he did say cold fusion was bullshit but I don't think MIT wastes time and money studying bullshit.
baloney detector
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)

>there goes another example. your pitty human mind, no ones biting and chewing at all, its only you choking!

I guess the comment about the National Enquirer went over your head. Too cryptic for you?
baloney detector
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)

>There are so many things seen as impossible. Who would have thought quantom computer were possible or nanobots?

If he said quantum computers or nanobots are impossible, then he's wrong. But where did he say that?
guest
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)
http://world.std.com/~mica/colloq09.html

here is some proof that guest without a brain has no idea what he is talking about and is just a curmudgeon.

http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/Research/Antimatter-en.html


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525565, 00.html

http://www.superstringtheory.com/

There are so many things seen as impossible. Who would have thought quantom computer were possible or nanobots?

http://www.physorg.com/news11087.html

guest
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)
>"Bullshitters bullshitting bullshitters"

you are the biggest bullshitter in this room. your qualification obviously doesnt match this type of question. its only good for a job, a fix equation to get the job done nothing else but that. you are the wrong person to be answering questions that requires a lot of imagination.

money, time and energy they have not yours. so what are you complaining about?

go eat your integrity when your hungry. "integrity" do you even have that, or are you just another person hiding behind an excuse called integrity?
guest
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)
>Why are people so caught up with closed systems.

because they missed the class when their lecturer was talking about possibilities. and this is what they turned out to be.
guest
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)
>You've had enough baloney already. Don't bite off more than you can chew.

there goes another example. your pitty human mind, no ones biting and chewing at all, its only you choking!
guest
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)
Umm cold fusion has come a long way since 1989 and even MIT and a like universities are studying it. Just cause there are con men doesn't mean there are only con men. Seriously if the sun puts calories on the earth and the earth supports the growth of organic matter because of it's magnetic field, ozone layer, Ionosphere, gravity etc....why is it impossible to think we can simulate the structure of the cosmic system. There are truths within the atoms that lead us to macro /micro connections. These allow us to produce much more efficient energy. Why are people so caught up with closed systems. There is a lot of energy to be harnessed through electro magnetic radiation waves, tidal, solar, wind, nuclear, hydroelectric, scalar, fossil, etc. Surely a grid of all these things would make sense. Magnetics provide a common thread in the universe for gravity, electron exchange and movement, and many other things. They provide movement with minimal friction on things like high speed trains, so maybe they could replace bearings with an external source to start them and a minimal source to keep them going. Free energy is obviously a political decision since government controls policy.
baloney detector
07/02/2009 (31 weeks ago)

>you creature say your not an animal but you are, you categorise yourself as an animal but cant accept it.

>human mind only gets deeper but only runs in cycle.
"you say your not but you are, you say you are but your not"


You've had enough baloney already. Don't bite off more than you can chew.
guest with a brain on baloney
07/01/2009 (31 weeks ago)
The Baloney Files: Let's see... Mylow, say no more. Steorn faied with their 2007 Orbo demo. They supposedly had hundreds of independent testers that were supposed to report their findings but it never happend. Joe Newman and his Newman motor is nonsense, there are no Newman motors producing electricity anywhere in the world. John Bedini and his Bedini motor, it does nothing of significance and nobody can or will ever be able to produce "over unity" with it. John Bedini sells a $400 "audio CD clarifier" that is nothing more than pure electronic quackery and a total rip-off, you can't change the sound quality of a CD by putting it inside a magic box for 15 seconds, CDs are all ones and zeros, there is nothing that you can do. Dennis Lee is a criminal. The Searl Effect Generator is pure garbage and will never be demoed, it's just a long con that is still sucking money out of people. Tom Bearden spouts pseudoscience about "free energy" and has been doing it for 20+ years and yet he has no working "free energy" devices. Magnacoaster is a lie and will never deliver anything, don't send them money because you will never see it again. BlackLight Power, a huge con that has taken in $400 million of investor money. Perendev motor -> bullshit. "Gravity motors" - pure nonsense yet there are still "true believers." Cold fusion in 1989, the replications failed and it turned out to be a false hope. The Wilits boys with their hillbilly quackery with magic motors and water heaters -> fake and a money rip-off. Literally dozens of unknowns on YouTube with big plans for "magnet motors" -> all pure crap. "HHO" technology will change the world my ass, unproven bullshit. "Magic generator configurations" that look suspiciously like conventonal generators with exotic designs... well, they are just generators with no special properties and are less efficient than real generators that you can purchase at the generatr store. Fantastic peeudoscience thories that are all nonsense, they can't be proven. "Negative energy" -> bullshit. "Cold electricity" -> bullshit. "Time compressed potential" -> bullshit. "The device must be extracting energy from the space-time continuim" - laughable nonsense. "Charging capacitors with pure potential and no current" - complete and total nonsense. Mistakenly using the terms "longitudinal", "transverse", and "resonance" without really understanding what they mean -> priceless. Magniwork wants to sell you the plans for a device that can power your house with "free energy", and it turns out to be a set of plans for a Bedini motor! If you JUST put the magnets in the precise correct configuration you can extract energy from them, my ass. Joe Newman makes a clip where he says his cell phone number about 10 times and he beggs for everybody in the United States to send hime one dollar! He begs like a slum dog in the 20-minute clip, it is painful to watch. Funny how the vast majority of "free energy" devices are powered by a battery. Funny how the professional con artists make demo clips of their bullshit devices and never show proper measurements, and nobody seems to care, fucking amazing! Posessed people on YouTube demoing nonsense "free energy" devices that have no clue how to make measurements and have no true understanding of what a capacitor or a coil is. "2007 is going to be the breakthrough year for 'free energy.'" "2008 is going to be the breakthrough year for 'free energy.'" "2009 is going to be the breakthrough year for 'free energy.'" All of the time and money and energy wasted on the "OCMPM (?) 'Whipmag'" motor from a single faked YouTube clip. People that see a coil generate a high voltage spike and state it is "rediant energy" -> garbage nonsense! "We can't measure the "radiant energy" but we know it's there." This might look like a battery. resistors, capacitors, transitors, and inductors in a circuit, but it is really an "unconventional" mystical "energy-from-the-vaccum" decice and your multimeter will not work on it - my ass! "Vacuum energy" - don't be a sucker! "Bullshitters bullshitting bullshitters" - when are you guys going to stop this and show some personal integrity?

Suck on that big thick juicy baloney there philosophical guest!!! It won't hurt!
guest
07/01/2009 (31 weeks ago)
>That's one angry phd candidate (if indeed he is a phd candidate).

are you a phd candidate? or are you the kind who hates his own kind (bullshitter).

humankind are soo disgusting. cant see their own color, cant hear their own mouth, cant smell their own odour, and hates it when they see, hear and smell it on the other.
your eyes, your ears, your toungue are meant for your survival, but instead you are destroying one another because of it.

"end justify the means" what a load of crap! stop making excuses that actually makes sense, you are not capable of it. if you havent notice, you humans are always justifying the end.

you creature say your not an animal but you are, you categorise yourself as an animal but cant accept it.

human mind only gets deeper but only runs in cycle.
"you say your not but you are, you say you are but your not"


Kepler
07/01/2009 (31 weeks ago)
Just for the record Kepler gone copernicus while it is a clever name please,.. I can fight my own battles. I did not say that last comment about the movie,.. and I truly am not going to comment anymore. And yes I am about to finish a thesis on space weather modeling and how to predict changes in the ionosphere/magnetosphere.
baloney detector
07/01/2009 (31 weeks ago)

> GO play with your X box or Youtube some more MIT (at least that is educational). If I wanted advice about a movie I wouldn't ask you. Your intellect is very very obvious.

That's one angry phd candidate (if indeed he is a phd candidate).
Kepler gone Copernicus
07/01/2009 (31 weeks ago)
>You are also trying to do a straw man argument about me. I can recomment that you check out a great flick called "Catch Me if You Can."<

you have got to be kidding me my phraseology is bad. >argument about merecomment<

GO play with your X box or Youtube some more MIT (at least that is educational). If I wanted advice about a movie I wouldn't ask you. Your intellect is very very obvious.

Check out the Athena project. It actually relates to science rather than pop culture.
baloney detector
07/01/2009 (31 weeks ago)

> im working on a theory using the suroundings and the events that happens on this planet as a reference, even the human race.

Here, I'll give you the number for the National Enquirer: (800) 223-6226.
guest
07/01/2009 (31 weeks ago)
guest with a brain has trouble with simple arithmetic. I see 3 postings from kepler at the point of your posting. As a former physics student myself I see nothing wrong with any of his statements.

Are you really going to argue that the thing holding advanced technology back is not the market. Please get a clue.

The statements made by Kepler (perhaps you should look up who Kepler was in history) seem synonymous with someone who has been involved in grant research. I myself (though 20 years ago) remember how frustrating it was to have research slowed by foot dragging because it was not a "marketable" profitable project.

Anyhow magnetics are a bit further studied in quantum theories then electrical engineering so there he is correct. And yes gravity's definition has changed a bit. There are even theories that refer to it as Electromagnetic radiation pressure.

Looks like some of you loudmouths don't know as much as you think you do. Maybe because you talk so loud and listen so little.
CommonCents
07/01/2009 (31 weeks ago)
The world has seen many many examples of "perpetual motion machines" and every one of them has been proven to be a scam!

Those that think that this machone is for real should go spend their hard earned money and save the world by buying one of these. By the way, if you have any money left over, I am selling shares in the Brooklyn Bridge for only $196 - a bargain.

Those that have some doubt should save their money and get on with their life, as I will.

It won't be long before this "free energy" machine will be exposed for the scam it is.
guest
07/01/2009 (31 weeks ago)
guest with a brain, i think your teacher forgot to mention about "possibilities" or perhaps you were not at school at the time.

kepler, if your still around, care to leave your e-mail add?
im working on a theory using the suroundings and the events that happens on this planet as a reference, even the human race. i dont know what it is at this point. i was hoping maybe you can check it out once its finished. you seem to be that person who may have that type of imagination.
guest
06/30/2009 (31 weeks ago)
guest with a brain, you have got to really check yourself because right now you dont sound educated to me, you sound like you cant accept the fact that there is someone who is more educated and have more potential than you who has an open mind. unlike you who knows less but have learnt nothing in life.
i dont think you can accept that part.

all you know is one plus one, when the subject gets deeper, all you can say is "i dont belive", "it doesnt work" my teacher didnt say so, so it doesnt make any sense.

guest with a brain, stop walking too straight just because the path is straight, look down sometimes because there may be steps, rocks, wholes along that path that you may stumble upon.

there are many more like you out there, and its very sad to have to deal with your type but one must who understand that your type is exactly what slows progress down.
there are enough people who knows a lot more thats working on this matter. the people who are experimenting are not slowing progress down you are.
all you care about is money, money, money. you are angry about those scammers who are making money and your not. even scammers are not slowing eqautions down.

this is the truth that you dont understand yet. you dont understand yet, that your very soul to this frustration are the scammers who knows less than you but have the guts and take home money, while you, who thinks who has more knowledge dont have the guts.

now you see guest with a brain, this subject is not about the educated and the not educated. its about how far you can imagine.
at this point, you dont qualify.
kepler
06/30/2009 (31 weeks ago)
Pretty funny, I will not post anymore on this site since it is about magnetic motors. Guest with a brain I choose to write things for other people to understand. If I use phrases like scalar tension, or the non Abelian guage theory, I do believe most people's understanding (of quantum field theory) would quickly deteriorate. Magnetic fields have a great deal of study within sub atomic physics and are paramount in directing electrons in particle acceleration. Perhaps you are over your head and scared to think about some of things presented by String Theory. It is the closest so far we have to come to understanding "reality" in the cosmos. Look it up some time then we can have a discussion about how much I don't know (once you have the vocabulary down). I wasn't posting to argue but for people to think for them selves. Look up modern physics and you will have a better understanding of things like magnetic/electromagnetic fields, gravity (which even since Einstein and relativity has changed), and will have a deeper knowledge of what these things are. Obviously I don't have the time or space to write down mathematical computations and give vocabulary lessons so guest with a brain you have the right to think what you will. I do agree there are quacks out there that's one thing at least. I just know enough to know we really don't know anything yet....or maybe that just keeps me learning.
guest with a brain
06/30/2009 (31 weeks ago)
Sorry, "7 years of studying particle physics" Kepler, after reading five or six of your postings it is very obvious that you are just a poser. Your phraseology makes it very clear that your are not working on a PHd.

For example, this statement, "the Earth operates in an extremely efficient energy system so of course it is possible to understand and recreate a similar event" is awkward and makes no real sense. It's a variation on "free energy" "bullshitters bullshiting bullshitters" talk. It would never come out of the mouth of a person that has the background that you claim to have. It is very very obvious.

You are also trying to do a straw man argument about me. I can recomment that you check out a great flick called "Catch Me if You Can."
Kepler
06/30/2009 (31 weeks ago)
Hardly, am I clueless. I had a full scholarship to Mcgill from the physics department and am finishing my PHD at the university of Chicago. You can't attack any of my logic so you point to personal attacks. Honestlyall of you who think you know everything good luck with that. The last 5 years alone have produced an immense number of realizations in the world of particle physics. So people like guest without a brain your high school level science may not allow you to think beyond francis bacon's way of thinking. Which is flawed by far. Just by dissecting the parts of a system part does not mean you understand the system or its purpose. I specialize in weather modeling and I can tell honestly and absolutely truthfully WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE UNIVERSE cohesively or even all of the EVENTS on the EARTH. You who try to discuss a topic that you have no idea about are definitely as bad as the quacks (not quarks). Logic is not the only thing in this Universe and even the best Mathematicians understand chaos as a variable. Anybody here wishing to tell me after 7 years of studying particle physics that their high school science class or engineering degree has you understanding the cosmos please,.. I will ask my professors if you can come lecture. Again please I would love a real debate with actual facts, I would love one that could be done verbally so you can't wiki and you tube your knowledge. I know for a fact that Atomic Physics can produce highly efficient energy production its just a question of when and grant money. The market however dictates where research money gets spent and until we have an actual energy shortage it may not change. Magnetic motors are a big part of creating efficiency. Are they closed systems that can run on their own perpetually, there has been no proof to my knowledge. Notice how I word that...like a scientist.
guest
06/30/2009 (32 weeks ago)
guest with a brain,
i strongly believe that you are not capable of imagination. you may stare at those stars but only to see the shape of a star. imagination only comes to a man in the world of "what if". you on the other hand is not it, your the type who seats in a court room where evidence is the law and "what if" is not good enough. which, theres nothing wrong with that, only thing is sometimes a person is forced to jail a man knowing that the man is innocent but cant provide enough evidence.

now guest with a brain, in this story you are not the person who is forced to put the man in jail nor the man who's going to jail, you are the book the person who's forced to put the man in jail, is following. a book that is not capable of feeling and follows the law of comas and full stops. to make it worse, this book happens to be a being, and you guest with a brain is it.

we humans were given a gift of imagination, but unfortunatelly for you guest with a brain that gift had faded away.

there are no laws in imagination, but you can imagine a law.
guest with a brain
06/29/2009 (32 weeks ago)
I am going to qualify you Kepler:

> The universe, our solar system, and the earth operate with a physical energy system that we are learning more about every day. Just think... what if we can harness the power of anti matter/ matter collisions.... the Earth operates in an extremely efficient energy system so of course it is possible to understand and recreate a similar event. It may not be 100% perpetual motion but by the time the earth stops moving we (hopefully) will all be long gone. The tides in the ocean itself are almost in perpetual motion.

And you claim, "I study String Theory at the University of Chicago (phd program)."

I don't believe that for a second.

>
guest
06/29/2009 (4 hours ago)
Kepler, you are clueless.
>

I second that motion.
guest with a brain
06/29/2009 (32 weeks ago)
I am pretty much dropping out of this thread and will briefly address the age-old magnet question. What is a magnet? Well, for starters, if the people asking those types of questions have little or no science knowledge, it makes it very hard to answer, and in some ways becomes a loaded question.

The short answer: Look up the YouTube MIT science and engineering lecture series and look at the course series on electromagnetics and magnetism.

The other answer: They did an experiment where the passed DC current through a straight wire. They discovered that when current flowed through the wire, there was a magnetic field arund the wire travelling in circles centered on the axis of the wire. Then they did another experimemt and found that two straight parallel wires carrying current will have a measurable force between them. Our whole wired and powered society is based on these simple facts. They also know that the same effects apply down to the level individual electrons in orbits around the nuclueus of the atom, they generate magnetic fields.

Yes, people that don't understand science confidently make statements like "we don't know all we can know about magnets" when they themselves are not knowledgeable enough to make the statement as it applies to the issue of extracting energy from magnets.

With respect to using magnets at the real-world level, and putting aside the old "wonders of quantum mechanics so nobody knows" business, we understand magnets perfectly. There is a beautiful symmetry, and everything comes together, and it all works wonderously as Mother Nature and Maxwell's equations expect and intend it to. In street terms, "We understand this shit, enough already."

The notion that I have no imagination and I need to be saved, bla bla bla, is simply nonsense.
guest
06/29/2009 (32 weeks ago)
Kepler, you are clueless.
Kepler
06/29/2009 (32 weeks ago)
I want to make the point also especially to those who say "free energy" is impossible you are absolutely misleading people. I have no idea if a magnetic motors will provide it (in fact they would probably just take the place of bearing motors to increase efficiency) but free energy happens every day in the cosmos.

The energy issue is geo political and has nothing to do with possibility. There is so much potential in the fields of string theory, atomic physics, and quantum mechanics for finding "free energy" you who say its impossible are ignorant to modern molecular and atomic theory.

The universe, our solar system, and the earth operate with a physical energy system that we are learning more about every day. Just think... what if we can harness the power of anti matter/ matter collisions.... the Earth operates in an extremely efficient energy system so of course it is possible to understand and recreate a similar event. It may not be 100% perpetual motion but by the time the earth stops moving we (hopefully) will all be long gone. The tides in the ocean itself are almost in perpetual motion.

The real truth here sadly is that politics and the global market place are slowing the research and technology that will create "extremely efficient" energy production. Until there is an absolute need in the market it won't happen unless we as a civilization change our ideology and force the politicians to change as well.

Many people in my field end up designing weapons. If we had different priorities we would be developing energy creating devices with the same technology.

For all of you looking for answers don't stop looking, search the Universities in the U.S. and the world, a lot of these things are already being worked on. MIT is a great place to start looking at research. CERN too.

All you grumpy "it can't happen people" you are just as misleading as the con artists out there. Remember there may be young people looking for answers here and comments like the ones a few down are just a destructive as con men saying they have the answer, or found god, or whatever the scheme.
guest
06/29/2009 (32 weeks ago)
kepler,
as i mention in one of my commnents, to me this is not about to those who knows about science and who dont. who im trying to protect and encourage are those who are trying to make a difference, and those who think is possible to keep looking and not stop when theres a person out there like guest with a brain who obviously doesnt have that type of imagination who says it doesnt work.

guest with a brain,
what have you got to say about keplers comment? i couldnt give you that kind of reference because this is not my field.
i have learnt my lesson, about a time i thought soo right, but ended up soo wrong. it only take once to realise that certainty can be a weakness. time to change guest with a brain.

a guest that wants answers
06/29/2009 (32 weeks ago)
I'm still waiting for a straight forward answer about magnets....all you science geeks and guests with a brain....all things are created in nature if we try and understand what were observing....so what is a magnet....you know the all natural kind....yes we can make a magnet ....we magnatize materials....but what is the true definition by nature and its intended purpuse????? what is a magnet???? Please ponder this question and post the correct answer then we'll move on to finding the true answers to other very importantr questions....like how is this device applied in nature and right in front of our eye for all to see and achieve a better understanding.
Remember the prudent lawyer will never ask a question he doesn't know the answer to.
Kepler
06/28/2009 (32 weeks ago)
I would like to point out the obvious argument that is not being brought to head. There are plenty of things that science has discovered that were impossible (in fact the first gaze into the electron microscope made some physicists vomit it was so "impossible"). I think there are plenty of quacks out there but come on these comments are so pompous. There are many different forms of science now in effect. I study String Theory at the University of Chicago (phd program). In my field the Baconian version of science most curmudgeons speak of is not used so much. In electrical engineering I understand the scientific method that is being spoken about by the opposition is common but most know less then Tesla did over a hundred years ago. There is Systems Theory, Sub Atomic Theory, Relativity, Quantum Mechanics etc. All these types of thought started with what most would consider a leap of faith. Nanotechnology, Quantum Computers, etc. seem impossible and some have said impossible but they are here. Lets not get to the point where Scientists also have no imaginations or the dreams of things like space travel would never happen. This Universe is still very much a mystery and lets be honest magnetics and magnetic fields are curios things and not entirely understood. But..lets not give every nut out there looking for a buck our last dollar either. I just say think for yourself and use inspiration as a guide...oh and don't be afraid to be wrong.
guest with a brain
06/28/2009 (32 weeks ago)
Philosophical guest, Rob, and like minded: I can't stop you from doing what you want to do. Notice that there was a potential one-half million dollar drain on the economy from the Mylow fiasco. Do you thing speaking out against that was wrong?

If you are going to play the "BSers BSing BSers" game publicly, you deserve to be challenged because you are making fools of yourselves and also misleading people. These "free energy" fantasies can cause harm to others.

I can't stop you, you can't stop me. I know I haven't changed you, but I may have changed some people that think like you so that they start using their critical thinking skills.

I find it a bit sad when you say (to paraphrase), "I will not stop experimenting and I refuse to learn. You are telling me I need to educate myself and I refuse to accept that and I will not do it. I may know better and I may discover something."

That attitude is unbelievable, as unbelievable as the concept of "free energy" is unbelievable. You seem to want to live in self-imposed ignorance.

For example, there was a user on YouTube, Akamini2000 (something like that) that made about 50 "Newman motor" clips. Then he got all excited about discharging inductors into capacitors. This guy "researched" "free energy" for about a year and he did not know how to calculate the amount of energy stored in a capacitor. He made a clip with nonsense calculations. That means he never had the intelligence to ask himself, "Do I know how to calculate the energy stored in a capacitor?" The answer was "No" and it would have taken him five minutes searching to find the information, but he did not do this, he just pushed forward like a blind man and just made up the incorrect calculation in his head. That's an example of the kind of nonsense that should stop, but it will likely not stop. It is sad and pathetic that fully grown adults can act so foolishly sometimes.
tech guest (formerly 'guest')
06/28/2009 (32 weeks ago)
> I'm trying to do my best to expres myself in a language that is not my own

Your English is very good. No problem there.


> People saying it's worthless have to update themselves becouse there is much more in the field than has been publicised.

If it hasn't been publicised, then how do you know that there is so much more? I'm not making fun of you here; I really would like to know where you can find this extra information that nobody else is aware of. You see, the problem is that there are a lot of claims about "free energy" and other improbable or impossible phenomena, but no evidence to support any of it. If there were evidence, I would certainly look at it. Who wouldn't be interested in a device that can produce more energy than it takes in, thus solving the world's energy problems. We already know why such a device is an impossibility, but if somebody thinks they can provide evidence to the contrary, then let's see that evidence.


> I've found a tiny overunity.

Good. Let's see the evidence.


> Now I know there is much more out there than we would ever dream possible.

Do you know this, or do you merely believe it? If you know it, how about publishing a paper on the subject. Somebody else made a similar claim, but without proof, it's just a claim.


> Do you sceptics really believe you can put an end to all the things that already have been found out and are waiting to be develloped further?

Sceptics are not out to put an end to progress. On the contrary. We simply demand evidence, especially when people make spurious or absurd claims. And people who pretend to know something they don't and engage in pseudoscientific babble expose themselves to ridicule.


> Do you really believe I or anybody else in this struglle for a way out of human ecological disaster, will share precious information with those who rather want to throw stones?

So you're keeping that precious information to yourself? If you really want a way out of ecological disaster you'll have to share information that will make that possible. I've noticed a common thread among those who claim to have achieved overunity: they are unwilling to provide any proof, like in the form of a practical demonstration, to support their claims. Why all the secrecy?


> No. Stay there, keep grinding your teeth and be very very angry of all those idiots that will go on and on, science or no science.

Actually, you seem to be the one who is angry. And science is simply the pursuit of knowledge using the best means that are available. If you are using "no science" then you are using less than optimal methods.
rob
06/28/2009 (32 weeks ago)
Dear all,

I ran into this discussionforum just by accident and though I'm trying to do my best to expres myself in a language that is not my own there is however some sort of communication going on.
Why so much effort, over and over again in trying to tell me I'm a crackpot or any other specifications that doesn't mean a thing to me. If there is some wrong with my thinking, there must be a better way explaning my all this than just repeatingly state that I'm this or that.
It just don't make sence an as far as I can see that's not only a clear proof of a non-scientific approach but also a fundamental lack of respect.
I'm ploughing through a lot of material and doing a lot of homeresearch on my own expences and I'm not funded by anyone. So if I find joy with what I'm doing, please let my do my game and even if it's silly for a lot of you people that have no face or voice.
I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU SAY. If it's negative I simply have to throw it away since there is absolutely NO constructivity to it. Sad it is, the utmost.
But never mind. Time will tell. And I've made good progress.
People saying it's worthless have to update themselves becouse there is much more in the field than has been publicised. I've found a tiny overunity. I was just as sceptic as anybody else so I had to proof it right or wrong. Therefore I tried and tried over and over.
Now I know there is much more out there than we would ever dream possible. The knowledge goes on and on amidst people who are willing to do the thinking and the making.
Do you sceptics really believe you can put an end to all the things that already have been found out and are waiting to be develloped further?
Do you really believe I or anybody else in this struglle for a way out of human ecological disaster, will share precious information with those who rather want to throw stones?
No. Stay there, keep grinding your teeth and be very very angry of all those idiots that will go on and on, science or no science.
tech guest
06/28/2009 (32 weeks ago)
> guest with a brain, ive got a question for you, since you know soo much that this "free energy" doesnt work,

> what are you going to do?


He's already doing it. He's exposing the quacks and shysters. If it weren't for people like guest with a brain and myself, they would take over and pseudoscience would flourish. Somebody has to stand up for the truth.
guest
06/28/2009 (32 weeks ago)
guest with a brain, ive got a question for you, since you know soo much that this "free energy" doesnt work,

what are you going to do?

because theres one thing i know for sure, these people who think it works will not stop because you said so.

so what exactly is your plan to deal with this nonsense?

you plan to educate these people?
not working..

you want these people to go and get education at school?
there not going..

you have anything else in mind?

guest
06/27/2009 (32 weeks ago)
> For the philosohhical guest: I can gaze at the stars just as much as you and imagine all sorts of things but I won't be dragged into your musings.

But remember that philosophy is a discipline, like science, that requires the use of reason. His childish rants demonstrate that he is incapable of reasoning. They are, however, unintentionally hilarious.
guest
06/27/2009 (32 weeks ago)
> Before you all who have been debating this possibility fade away...
Before the conspiracy theorists sign off...
Before the believers move on...
While we question all this...
Follow up: Did Richard Willis of Magnacoaster prove his device worked to Brett Wilson of Maxim Power. Did the Alberta entrepreneur give Magnacoaster the $1,000,000 for 50% of the power plant application. This is a real story. Help follow it up.



Here are a couple of additional threads on the subject:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2062.msg87 041#msg87041
http://www.energeticforum.com/ renewable-energy/3382-unexpected-magnacoaster-3.html

Richard Willis claims to be in contact with various companies and government departments, including Ontario Hydro, General Electric, Mercedes-Benz, and the State of Michigan in order to procure investments to develop his device and eventually to build power-generating plants. But when representatives from those departments and companies were asked about this, they denied that any such contacts ever took place.

Willis also claims to have collaborated with the University of Waterloo and that they successfully tested and demonstrated the functionality of the device, but UW officials have denied that any such collaboration or tests ever occurred.

When asked which people he had contacted at those companies and at UW, he refused to answer. He has also refused to demonstrate the device in public, or to allow independent testing of it.


To answer your question, Brett Wilson apparently withdrew his offer to invest $1,000,000 because Willis failed to live up to his end of the agreement, namely, to prove that the device works.

So it would appear that this whole fiasco is yet another scam operation. Willis will probably end up selling a few more batteries and transformers as a result of the publicity.
guest with a brain
06/27/2009 (32 weeks ago)
Greg: Magnacoaster is a fake. They are about a year late and there is no convincing evidence that a single customer is using the system. You also can't forget that what they are pitching is impossible.

There has been no press release stating that the one-million dollar investment has been made. One can only assume that the private demo failed to deliver the goods, just as Mother Nature said it would.

I am pretty sure that someone followed up on Richard's claims of working with a local university and the university spokesperson said that they had no contact with Magnacoaster.

So you are left with another false claim of a "feee energy" system avaolable for sale.

You can also assume that any money sent to Magnacoaster may never be seen again. They will use delaying tactics until they go bankrupt.

For the philosohhical guest: I can gaze at the stars just as much as you and imagine all sorts of things but I won't be dragged into your musings. You can't get energy from magnets, with or without equations, and people like you need to stop talking nonsense and get educated if you want to pursue your "feee energy" dreams. If you educate yourselves and do your experiments properly every experiment you do will confirm that there is no such thing as "free energy."
guest
06/26/2009 (32 weeks ago)
guest with a brain, your right.

but i finally come to realise after i gave you and the other guest my apologies and you came back with another critisism about the same thing, we are no where near unity.

it looks like it wont matter what we human discuss about, we are still very primitive creature in mind. the only difference is before we're walking and now we're flying, but in mind i dont think we have gone very far. we are still very vicious type of creature.
to make it worse, we keep learning new tricks.

it looks like it wont matter how educated we are, we are still going to keep killing each other while politicians and bureaucrats tries to look for answers, and for some reason always ends up blowing ourselves up even harder.

there was something else i learned about us people which i saw from you and the other guest which im not going to mention. i dont think we can face it.

hopefully in time theres going to be more people to realise and accept that the things we despise is not the person you thought you hate but you, its in us.
maybe then we can stop killing each other then see the real progress.

guest with a brain, it wont matter what you say, it wont stop those people, it wont stop us, it wont stop you and me.
think again when you judge about wasting time.
Greg
06/26/2009 (32 weeks ago)
Before you all who have been debating this possibility fade away...
Before the conspiracy theorists sign off...
Before the believers move on...
While we question all this...
Follow up: Did Richard Willis of Magnacoaster prove his device worked to Brett Wilson of Maxim Power. Did the Alberta entrepreneur give Magnacoaster the $1,000,000 for 50% of the power plant application. This is a real story. Help follow it up.
quest
06/26/2009 (32 weeks ago)
Man, wouldn't it be great if we had free energy devices! Sit back and watch the dow hit 20,000! It's funny that no one blamed $150 per barrel oil for the financial collapse because I believe it was largely to blame. The economic system must grow to survive. High energy prices stifle growth. Plus, it looks like most people in India and China want to have cars. Much better for everyone if their cars don't pollute.
guest
06/26/2009 (32 weeks ago)
> you are critizising people out there who thinks they have something to offer and here you are running away from your moral lesson which is the real problem in all of us.
> have you ever thought of calculating that with some of your eqaution and laws that youve learnt guest, or are you just too scared to finally realise that there is nothing special about you.

> all your doing is clinging on to your little example and information and get so excited when you tell the world. is that all youve got? i can pay a person out there to know what you know and probably would know more than you do.
money runs this world now just to remind you, and again thats a big problem. stop running away and closing your eyes and focused only on your equations and laws because im sure theres enough better people out there whose working on it.


I had to laugh out loud when I read this imbecilic tirade. Thanks for the entertainment, chump!
guest with a brain
06/26/2009 (32 weeks ago)
The discussion is winding down now, people have made their points. Let's look back at the Mylow fiasco again:

In all of the Mylow clips leading up to the first faked clip, there was never any proof it was real. Again, there was NEVER any proof. The camera never showed the whole disk. A "normal" person would think that he was spinning the disk off-camera with his hand. It was later proven with video analysis that's exactly what he did.

And yet with no proof whatsoever that Mylow had a magic spinning disk, Sterling Allen went ape-shit (that means he was very positive about the possibilities) over this and tried to get his slice of the potential revenue stream.

And hundreds of people spent thousands and thousands of dollars and spent many thousands of hours wasting their time with absolutely no evidence that it worked. When the first faked clips were made by Mylow, they spent even more money and more time.

Mylow never stated anything with technical credibility about what he was trying to do. "Try to get a 'feel' for the magnet repulsion forces to place the next magnet." That statement means NOTHING.

If you imagine that you "pay" the replicators $20 per hour for their time, plus expenses for parts, what was the "oportunity cost"? I am willing to guess that it could be up to $500,000. Yes, ONE-HALF MILLION DOLLARS wasted for NOTHING! Money poured down the drain.

Why did they do all of this work and spend all of this money with no evidence? Are they dreamers or fools?

The answer is that they were fools, plain and simple. We are far enough past the fiasco so I am hoping that egos will not be too bruised.

So, sometimes there is a time to dream, other times there are times to NOT dream, and look at the facts and make an intelligent judgement.

All scientists use their imaginations to progress in their research. They are the real dreamers.

"I know that an all-magnet motor works because I ran some tests involving the fluctuation potential of the magnet rings, and there was some resonant energy that escaped which I think has something to do with the electrons that have tunnelled from the quantum singularity, and that's where the free energy is coming from. There's an excess of magnetic flux that is creating a torsional effect whereby the electrons and positive ions are spinning at a faster rate than we had thought. So I think we're making real progress here, I'm trying to achieve a 0.15 mm field vector and I just have to try different materials with a higher conductivity potential, and it looks like we'll get there real soon now."

All of you "free energy" believers out ther, STOP TALKING FAKE NONSENSE like you see quoted above. It is simply ridiculous - two people that have no idea what they are talking about using terms that they don't even understand having an "intelligent" converstion on a "free energy" forum. That is where you truly make yourselves look like fools and I think that you know when you are doing it. It is nothing more than bullshitters bullshitting bullshitters.

That "BSers BSing BSers" is what is flabbergasting for anyone with common sense and/or a scientific background to read. You make yourselves look like idiots.

If you truly want to "research free energy" then learn about physics and electronics and other related disciplines first. That way you can "focus your dreaming."

My apologies for the tough talk. I am not "angry", I am just trying to make the world a better place too.
guest
06/26/2009 (32 weeks ago)
>The only thing they contributed to science was to show how NOT to do it. They were dishonest and sent other scientists off on a wild goose chase with bad information. Read up on the case before offering an opinion. You don't know what you're talking about. And cut the pretentious moralizing; it's becoming tiresome.

guest, a person doesnt have to know the little details about the story about your scientists wild goose chase to give you a moral lesson in life.
you want change then stop running away from it. again your just a classic example of those negative type of people ive always talked about.

you are critizising people out there who thinks they have something to offer and here you are running away from your moral lesson which is the real problem in all of us.
have you ever thought of calculating that with some of your eqaution and laws that youve learnt guest, or are you just too scared to finally realise that there is nothing special about you.

all your doing is clinging on to your little example and information and get so excited when you tell the world. is that all youve got? i can pay a person out there to know what you know and probably would know more than you do.
money runs this world now just to remind you, and again thats a big problem. stop running away and closing your eyes and focused only on your equations and laws because im sure theres enough better people out there whose working on it.

guest, your equations and laws is not the problem in this world nor those people you critizise about there work. the problem is because we are different and if your trying to unite us with your equations and laws its not going to work.
the only time we change to unite is when every individual and im talking about evry single person in this world, sees a same chance that we can all walk towards at the same time.

guest, lets not critizise each other, im going to have to apologise to you and guest with a brain about the negative things i said. theres no use, i am no better than my examples.






Greg
06/26/2009 (32 weeks ago)
Methinks there is more than one person here named "guest" which creates a bit of a sorting problem. So how did I get here...A friend of mine stumbled across the Magniwork site http://www.magniwork.com/ and tossed it out as a Facebook comment "Is this Real?". A friend of his who I don't know answered with this, http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Magniwork which led me here. Reading through much of the discussion was interesting to my non physicist self. Along the way the aforementioned "guest" posted this:
guest
05/31/2009 (3 weeks ago)
please check Magnacoaster in canada they sell machine.

I did: http://www.vorktex.ca/
Some further thrashing around turned this up :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvfi9ZpXKOY (Stay with it for the 8 minutes - loads a bit slowly so let it get ahead of you) If you know Dragon's Den you can skip the intro. Richanr Willis of Magnacoaster made his pitch for a $1,000,000 in backing from a "Dragon' and one bit >> "Alberta energy giant, Brett Wilson,...wants IN on the technology". His company is Maxim Power http://www.maximpowercorp.com/index.html and he is an Alberta CA business icon http://www.albertaventure.com/?tag=w-brett-wilson .

So, in a very public forum, in December 2008, a power company guy offers to back a magnet power guy "If it works". And so the questions...Does it really work? Well enough to be a viable technology? If it works will it be promoted or surpressed? It's a trail. By the way I voted Maybe because I certainly don't know.
guest
06/26/2009 (32 weeks ago)
> about Pons and Fleischmann.
guest, what is the matter if they wanted to get the credit first, wouldnt you?
something you know is great can easly just disappear from your palm. you know how the world is, i dont have to explain that to you.

> dishonest or not that doesnt change the fact that they contributed to science and thats what should matter.

> thats asshamed to those involved who focused on their dishonesty rather than the result.
> i wouldnt believe those scientist who were involved of discrediting the two chemists are really for progress.


The only thing they contributed to science was to show how NOT to do it. They were dishonest and sent other scientists off on a wild goose chase with bad information. Read up on the case before offering an opinion. You don't know what you're talking about. And cut the pretentious moralizing; it's becoming tiresome.
joelmondor@yahoo.ca
06/26/2009 (32 weeks ago)
i see free energy ( i think its really cool to have one of those myself)
But there is a thing that troubles my knowledge of this product.
A magnets polarity breaks due to mechanicle friction
How long will the generator turn non stop before the magnets get worn down.
I did research on this statement and magnets are not forever, i just want to know the lifespan of the generator's rotation
guest
06/26/2009 (32 weeks ago)
>it comes down to honesty. Scientists know that honesty, openness, and the sharing of information are essential for scientific progress and the advancement of human knowledge.

guest, again i understand. but your not looking deep enough to understand that honesty and sharing only comes to a man who has a lot of selfcontrol.
and youll probably will have to agree with me when i say that there were times when you havent been soo honest in your life and wasnt very sharing. theres no difference except these people are taking it further. we are all capable of doing it.

the difference is that you dont need to be soo dishonest while these people are doing to it survive and i guess we human just dont get satisfied.

about Pons and Fleischmann.
guest, what is the matter if they wanted to get the credit first, wouldnt you?
something you know is great can easly just disappear from your palm. you know how the world is, i dont have to explain that to you.

dishonest or not that doesnt change the fact that they contributed to science and thats what should matter.

thats asshamed to those involved who focused on their dishonesty rather than the result.
i wouldnt believe those scientist who were involved of discrediting the two chemists are really for progress.

if im genuinly working on something and there is a person that gave me an answer, i wouldnt care how that man gave that to me. if ill have to buy that of him, give him the credit and even thank him for it, so be it. if i know its something important for my work, the last thing im thinking about is how that man gave it to me.

guest, these ideas and results are bigger than you and me. this is for the future, and out of all the people you should know this.

when are we (human) going to stop pretending that we are perfect and when something goes wrong we start blaming it on our differences? when are we going to accept in life the equation of how we all have different circumstances in life and how it has a big effect as the we grows and tries to survive.
its hard for an individual to start the change because we are just not that type of creature. we are very compititive.
before change even gets to a man, the man will have to see first if there is a chance. and on the process of change the man probably will stumble many times and give up.

its not fare for us to force a man to change when we ourselves need to change.
guest
06/26/2009 (32 weeks ago)
> what i cant understand is that why is there a person like you and guest with a brain who are bothered soo much when theres a person making claims of things you dont think is possible? why are you bothered?

It comes down to honesty. Scientists know that honesty, openness, and the sharing of information are essential for scientific progress and the advancement of human knowledge. Take the example of Pons and Fleischmann, two chemists who in 1989 announced that they had discovered a way to generate nuclear energy through cold fusion. They were shunned by the scientific community not because they had failed but because they announced their findings at a news conference instead of publishing their results in a peer-reviewed publication or scientific journal (and if you look at their lab reports you can see how careless and sloppy their work was). They wanted to take credit before other scientists had a chance to study and replicate the results, but were discredited for being disingenuous. People who make false claims and are dishonest or disingenuous should expect to be criticized, in my opinion. That's basically it.
guest
06/25/2009 (32 weeks ago)
>I'm not sure what you mean by "a person like you." Your problem, it seems to me, is that you have a naive and stereotypical understanding of scientists and academics, and the work that they do, along with some kind of disdain towards people who are skeptical about spurious claims (like claims about "free energy"). Anybody can write a bunch of gobbledygook and claim that it's science. Blind and uncritical acceptance of flawed or ridiculous ideas doesn't make you open-minded, it makes you gullible.

guest, i get your point, ive always understood you and guest with a brains point but you guys dont seem to get my point.
i dont care about those laws and eqaution you guys brag about, im not challenging you and guest with a brain about that.
what i cant understand is that why is there a person like you and guest with a brain who are bothered soo much when theres a person making claims of things you dont think is possible? why are you bothered?

im not bothered, i know they are there but i dont care. they can come knocking on my door and tells me that they can disappear but if they start asking money from me then ill ask them to show me first and if they cant im not going to start kicking them out of my property and tell them i hate them. instead im going to give them a glass of water before they leave. their claim is not hurting me.

why are you and guest with a brain worried and reacting soo much when you hear these things? do you envy their guts?
guest
06/25/2009 (32 weeks ago)
> guest, a person like you who seems to know a lot dont seem to understand what exactly the point is.

> a person like you only carries information from your old teacher.

> a person like you that only stops at what you see, and start teaching people out there about whats right and wrong, will keep stopping that person from his imagination.

I'm not sure what you mean by "a person like you." Your problem, it seems to me, is that you have a naive and stereotypical understanding of scientists and academics, and the work that they do, along with some kind of disdain towards people who are skeptical about spurious claims (like claims about "free energy"). Anybody can write a bunch of gobbledygook and claim that it's science. Blind and uncritical acceptance of flawed or ridiculous ideas doesn't make you open-minded, it makes you gullible.

I'll give you an example of what I mean by gobbledygook (even though we've seen plenty of that around here already):

"I know that an all-magnet motor works because I ran some tests involving the fluctuation potential of the magnet rings, and there was some resonant energy that escaped which I think has something to do with the electrons that have tunnelled from the quantum singularity, and that's where the free energy is coming from. There's an excess of magnetic flux that is creating a torsional effect whereby the electrons and positive ions are spinning at a faster rate than we had thought. So I think we're making real progress here, I'm trying to achieve a 0.15 mm field vector and I just have to try different materials with a higher conductivity potential, and it looks like we'll get there real soon now."


See? I can play that game too. The above paragraph is a bunch of nonsense and if you believe anything that resembles it, then you're not open-minded, you're gullible and weak-minded.

Look up the term "scientific method." Here's a Wikipedia article on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

"Scientific method is not a recipe: it requires intelligence, imagination, and creativity."

"To raise new questions, new possibilities, to regard old problems from a new angle, requires creative imagination and marks real advance in science." —Einstein & Infeld 1938.


> guest with a brain your funny. but didnt you said before that a magnetic motor will never work and you backed it up with all your knowledge saying "IT WILL NEVER WORK" but now that you see that it works then your saying its not spinning fast enough.

You completely misunderstood what guest with a brain was referring to. The sad part is that it's not even a difficult concept to understand. You should learn the concepts MOTOR, GENERATOR, ENERGY and WORK, and really try to understand what they mean, to avoid further displays of ignorance on your part.
guest
06/25/2009 (32 weeks ago)
guest with a brain your funny. but didnt you said before that a magnetic motor will never work and you backed it up with all your knowledge saying "IT WILL NEVER WORK" but now that you see that it works then your saying its not spinning fast enough.

guest with a brain im going to repeat this again, its not about the people who knows so much about science and the people who dont.
im sure there are a lot of educated people out there who knows a lot of equations and laws just like you do and probably even better than you who accept different ideas even though it doesnt make sense to them.

its about the type of person you are guest with a brain. there are people out there who says "look lets give it a go" and there are people who says "who cares". and your one of them who says "who cares". you have nothing to give in this generation guest with a brain.
i can accept paying shit load of money to put as much information in my childs brain but what i cant accept is when my child says to me "dad dont believe in god".
i'll even listen to my childs view but i wont accept it when my child tells me to stop believing.
i dont want my child to grow up laughing in the beggining, but getting laughed at the end.

im still trying to figure out why its soo hard for you to accept when people sound soo sure without evidence, its not going to hurt you is it? if it doesnt work then how can it hurt anyone, infact it will be better if it does work. why are you angry that it might fool other people when you keep saying your not going to get fooled? why, you worried that you might get fooled? then if your not, then what in the hell is your point? are you just protecting all the hard work and all the years of school?
i mean all the equations and laws you learned has to be the ultimate right? nothing can be better or it cannot be change right?

you can even be right guest with a brain, there may not be another another equation waiting out there, but at least you were open, otherwise your just another bowl i filled up with water.
GFB
06/24/2009 (32 weeks ago)
I believe it's possible. Unfortunately in the light of all the hoaxes makes for a lot doubts and lost interests.
guest with a brain
06/24/2009 (32 weeks ago)
Just one more example: Many times people with their various Bedini and other motors in their YouTube clips talk about how "effecient" they are, "Look how fast it is turning and it's only consuming 45 milliamps!!!!!"

Now, time to get real and put our brains in gear: In a lot of these clips they are just looking at a spinning motor, nothing else. That means the effeciency of their motor is 0%, that's right ZERO percent.

The spinning motor is not doing any useful work at all, it is just sitting there, burning up electric power and turning it into heat power. That's it, nothing, nada, zip.

Then they turn around and get all excited about how "effecient" their useless motors are that do nothing but create thermal heat energy.

And that's the diference between myself and the "tech guest" vs. Jed and Rob and the "other guest". The three of you will look at a YouTube motor clip and get all excited about how "effecient" it is, while myself and the "tech guest" will look at the same clip and see it for what it really is, a zero percent effecient motor that does nothing but burn power. When a motor has no useful output, it's nothing more than a glorified resistor.

Another WAKE UP moment.
guest with a brain
06/24/2009 (32 weeks ago)
> while a person like you only carries information from your old teacher.

That's another tired old cliche. The people that believe in science have no imaginations, they only know what was taught to them in books. They have no ability to apply their knowledge and create something new. In contrast, the people with little education have some special "spark" and by experimenting they might stumble across something new, like a working all-magnet motor.

That is total nonsense, and I have read it hundreds of times.

Let me give you an example of how absurd it can get when people with very little knowledge research "free energy."

I am quoting someone on a "free energy" forum: "No flames intended, but if you listen to what Bedini said, he stated that he believed that this worked, but could not produce enough torque to turn a generator, thus it wasn't a viable solution in terms of generating energy, but could produce enough to turn itself. Therefore he went on to the electromagnetic setups which could produce useful amounts of excess energy for a practical purpose."

I don't know whether to laugh or cry here. This user believes that Bedini had the solution to the world's energy problems, the Holy Grail, "he stated that he believed that this worked, but could not produce enough torque to turn a generator", but what SIZE generator?

Do you see what I am saying to you? Any device that can run itself is by definition a free energy device. He said that it could produce torque, and it is obvious that he meant while it was turning. Basic physics: torque x angular velocity = power. "Free energy" power.

So "the solution" is right in the user's face, the thing he may have been looking for for years. It's right there, and he can't even see what he is looking for and he walks right by it unaware. That is almost surreal. Here you are in a free energy forum and there is a claim that it works, it "produces torque at some angular velocity" and all of the forum regulars all walk right by it, seemingly blind to the fact. And JOHN BEDINI and TOM BEARDEN walk right past the solution, "could produce enough to turn itself", the "experts" and move on to a new project. Can all of you see how surreal this all is? I am just shaking my head.

This kind of stuff is detremental to lay people, foolling some of them into thinking all of this "magic" exists. We saw a version of it right here, Jed is convinced you can power a car by putting a coat hanger on the roof.

Sometimes sensible people have to step forward and say "Bullshit, stop making a fool of yourself and educate yourself, stop contributing to the dumbing down of society."

There is nothing wrong with saying that.

> now heres the real battle because there are group of people out there whose got a wide and wild imagination who constantly tries to break bounderies.

Go for it, but don't make a complete fool of yourself when you do. Speak sentences that make sense. Only use the terms "resonance" and "longitidunal" when you really understand what they mean in the context of your experiment and can back it up with facts.

Hypothetical example: "A Bedini motor works best when the coil is in resonance."

BULLSHIT, there is no such thing as a coil in resonance in a Bedini motor. Stop saying shit when you don't know what you are talking about.

I can imagine Rob and Jed and you know which guest saying to themselves, "Duh, I alway thought the coil worked best in resonance in a Bedini motor."

Again, WAKE UP.
guest
06/24/2009 (32 weeks ago)
>So you've got special abilities with which you can discover the "foundation" of the universe that no scientist has been able to discover? Maybe you should write and publish a detailed paper on the subject so that others can learn about all these remarkable secrets of the universe. Why keep all that knowledge to yourself?

i dont have to go through all the whole comment but heres something for you.

guest, a person like you who seems to know a lot dont seem to understand what exactly the point is.

you see guest ive already accepted the fact that there are people out there who takes advantage of anything you can think of.
im not here for them nor disagree about science and most specially not here to stop anyone who tries to make a difference.

im here simply to protect that rare group of people who possess that exact intellegence who might have what it takes to connect the dots and answer some of your questions in life.
a person like you that only stops at what you see, and start teaching people out there about whats right and wrong, will keep stopping that person from his imagination.
exact the same thing that happens to a child from his parent.

i can even understand how you grew up went to school, probably was a very good student and now takes a lot of pride because it was a lot of hard work and now nothing else exist except what you learnt and understand.

now heres the real battle because there are group of people out there whose got a wide and wild imagination who constantly tries to break bounderies.
dont expect these group of people to follow and devote there life on somthing they know thats not perfect. these are the people who are always trying to make a difference while a person like you only carries information from your old teacher.

im very sorry to say but theres nothing special about a group of people like you guest, although your mind does exist in every generation but just nothing but carries information that was forced by your parents.

hopefully now you can have a good understanding when a person says "closed minded".
guest
06/24/2009 (32 weeks ago)
>So you've got special abilities with which you can discover the "foundation" of the universe that no scientist has been able to discover? Maybe you should write and publish a detailed paper on the subject so that others can learn about all these remarkable secrets of the universe. Why keep all that knowledge to yourself?


guest, a person like you who seems to know a lot dont seem to understand what exactly the point is.

you see guest ive already accepted the fact that there are people out there who takes advantage of anything you can think of.
im not here for them nor disagree about science and most specially not here to stop anyone who tries to make a difference.

im here simply to protect that rare group of people who possess that exact intellegence who might have what it takes to connect the dots and answer some of your questions in life.
a person like you that only stops at what you see, and start teaching people out there about whats right and wrong, will keep stopping that person from his imagination.
exact the same thing that happens to a child from his parent.

i can even understand how you grew up went to school, probably was a very good student and now takes a lot of pride because it was a lot of hard work and now nothing else exist except what you learnt and understand.

now heres the real battle because there are group of people out there whose got a wide and wild imagination who constantly tries to break bounderies.
dont expect these group of people to follow and devote there life on somthing they know thats not perfect. these are the people who are always trying to make a difference while a person like you only carries information from your old teacher.

im very sorry to say but theres nothing special about a group of people like you guest, although your mind does exist in every generation but just nothing but carries information that was forced by your parents.

hopefully now you can have a good understanding when a person says "closed minded".
guest
06/23/2009 (32 weeks ago)
generous thief
find your friend at the vertical horizon net
he's separated by an underscore
guest
06/23/2009 (32 weeks ago)
> the science that your talking about does not even scratch the foundation of this universe

So you've got special abilities with which you can discover the "foundation" of the universe that no scientist has been able to discover? Maybe you should write and publish a detailed paper on the subject so that others can learn about all these remarkable secrets of the universe. Why keep all that knowledge to yourself?

Sarcasm aside, you would do well to consider taking an introductory course in basic science, or even just watch a science or nature show on television just to get a small clue about the world around you.


> and if your looking for those believers and trying to stop them from believing then your still in the wrong place

They can believe and do whatever they want, it makes no difference to me. But if somebody pretends they know something about science, and then starts spreading false information and ludicrous ideas, somebody should take them to task. If you were told that planetary orbits are triangular, not elliptical, and that scientists have got it all wrong, wouldn't you regard it as a ridiculous claim or at least ask for some evidence? I guess maybe not.


> a different science basics that can explain why we care about each other, ... , how some plants survive underground without direct sunlight or whats the weather like next month

It's already been done by "conventional" science and there is no need to use a "different" science (whatever that means) to investigate these matters. Nothing new or surprising here.


> how some people live for months without food and water

Without food maybe, but I'm not aware of anyone surviving for more than a few days without water. Care to provide a reference to your claim?
Yoda
06/22/2009 (33 weeks ago)
easily pulled by strings, a puppet is.
rage, fear, dis.illusion and ignorance; an empty vessel fill.
within yourself, seek the light.
perish forever, otherwise you will.
guest
06/22/2009 (33 weeks ago)
>What do you mean I've been fooled? Just what exactly are you yammering about? Fooled by what, by whom? If you believe in pseudoscience and in "free energy" then you're the one who has been fooled, not me.

thats exactly right, its not you or guest with a brains thats been fooled but me. so theres no reason for guest with a brain or you teaching people whats right or wrong just because your knowledge supported by science says so.

the science that your talking about does not even scratch the foundation of this universe. and one day these people might just suprise you with a different science basics that can explain why we care about each other, how some people live for months without food and water, how some plants survive underground without direct sunlight or whats the weather like next month?
these are just little example that breaks the science law or the law of science cannot explain.
if this is the case then "maybe" our science foundation is totally wrong or going in the wrong direction.
there are two types of people in this subject, the people who are trying to make a difference (person looking for that equation) and the believers (person looking for the best explanation). you or guest with a brain are sending your message to those who are looking for that equation, dont stop them there not doing anything wrong even if there going in the wrong direction they still put a lot of there time and effort to it and you hardly find that now a days. and if your looking for those believers and trying to stop them from believing then your still in the wrong place because that person came here knowing that this matter is lacking of scientific background, but came here for hope. and if they get fooled again thats there problem not yours. once again part of trial and error. let them learn from there mistake.

they just want to be free.
guest
06/22/2009 (33 weeks ago)
> someone like guest with a brain or maybe like you who sound like whose been fooled before thats also your problem

What do you mean I've been fooled? Just what exactly are you yammering about? Fooled by what, by whom? If you believe in pseudoscience and in "free energy" then you're the one who has been fooled, not me.


> a person like you who probably dont see it this way your exactly the same, closed minded.

Here we go again with the closed-minded bit. Everybody who disagrees with you is closed-minded. If that's what you want keep believing, go right ahead.


> all you want to make sure is not to get fooled and thats stop the process of trial and error.

On the contrary. As somebody with an extensive scientific background, I firmly believe in the process of trial and error. It's an important element of the scientific method. What I don't believe in is the pseudoscientific babble and the false claims that some people are trying to put forward. Perhaps you should learn the difference between science and pseudoscience before spouting off.
guest
06/21/2009 (33 weeks ago)
>Quit your sanctimonious preaching. Guest with a brain is simply exposing the nonsensical arguments coming from the "free energy" believers. What if somebody told you they had invented an immortality pill or a faster-than-light spaceship without providing a shred of evidence, came up with a bunch of pseudoscientific and childishly nonsensical arguments to support their claims, and then charged anyone who didn't believe them as being "closed-minded" or a "stinking turd"? What would your reaction be? Well the arguments in support of "free energy" are in the same category: they consist of false, unsupported claims and no evidence whatsoever.

guest you are right, but does not going to be anyones problem except mine, not yours but mine, isnt it? but a person coming up to me telling me that he can disappear thats for me to decide whether i believe or not.

someone like guest with a brain or maybe like you who sound like whose been fooled before thats also your problem. you dont have to come out to public and look for people who you think is fooling around. there are people out there whose trying to make a difference. you got fooled thats your problem.

we are now living in a system level where fooling is part of living whether you like it or not. its up to an individual to make a decicion but dont blame on the rest if you make a mistake.

a person like you who probably dont see it this way your exactly the same, closed minded. all you want to make sure is not to get fooled and thats stop the process of trial and error.
you made a mistake you learn from it but dont ask me to learn from your mistake because obviously im not like you but thanks for the tip.
guest
06/21/2009 (33 weeks ago)
> That implies that the magnetic fenomena hasn't been understood enough.
> Though classic physics asume they know all there is to know about magnets,
> it's very obivous that the paradigmchange brings new idea's about.

Classical physics has been superseded by modern physics since the early 1900s. You're not preaching anything that isn't already known.


> Therefore I do not believe that magnetism is a property of a magnet but an
> magnet is a element able of funneling some kind of polarity that expresses
> itselves as the wellknown attraction and repulsion between two or more
> magnets and sole attraction in combination with nickel, iron, or kobalt.

I can't construe this in any way that makes sense. You might consider rephrasing it. The way it stands, it reads like mumbo-jumbo.


> ...there is a remarkable synergy between electon flow and magnetism

No, magnetism is generated through the acceleration of electric charge. This has been known since the 1800s. It's a fundamental interaction, not any sort of "remarkable synergy."


> ...I would like to state that there must be an overseen flow of energy with
> exraordinair properties. According to my own findings it's some sort of law
> that there has to be some sort of fluctuation of potential which interacts
> in order to form resonance. The effect is that there will be an influx of
> ambient energy flowing into the "gap"created in the time/space continuum.

Pure hogwash. Terms like "fluctuation of potential," "resonance," "ambient energy" are completely meaningless here. It sounds like you've pulled a few scientific terms out of a textbook or science magazine and thrown them together into an incoherent muddle. The space-time continuum is a set of coordinates developed in special relativity, which can be used to calculate Lorentz transformations, and have applicability in theories of gravitation and cosmology. It has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand, despite your pretense.


> Indeed there is no energy out of nothing but since we know that there is an
> abundance of energy which has to be lured in.

What abundance of energy are you referring to? Pure speculation on your part and again no evidence to support it.


> The other theory is that there is enertia needed to take advantage of the
> "bounce" of ions that are much slower than the electrons.

Which ions are you talking about and how do you know they are much slower than electrons. How about some specifics. You're just grasping at straws and not making any sense.

If you're trying to promote some kind of a theory, you should state it clearly and concisely, and back it up with evidence rather than with misplaced scientific terminology.

Clarity is the hallmark of science; obfuscation the hallmark of quackery.
Yoda
06/21/2009 (33 weeks ago)
A jedi, careful must be.
exploited, his kindness can be.
give away the keys, do not.
awaiting fresh grass, the pigs are.
rob
06/21/2009 (33 weeks ago)
You don't have to be so harsh on the subject because it may not be so that a ful-magnet motor does work. But still there is enough "magic" about magnets that keep trigger people to believe otherwise. That implies that the magnetic fenomena hasn't been understood enough. Though classic physics asume they know all there is to know about magnets, it's very obivous that the paradigmchange brings new idea's about.
Therefore I do not believe that magnetism is a property of a magnet but an magnet is a element able of funneling some kind of polarity that expresses itselves as the wellknown attraction and repulsion between two or more magnets and sole attraction in combination with nickel, iron, or kobalt.
I have been studying the works of faraday lately and there is a remarkable synergy between electon flow and magnetism. Any fast rotating magnet around it's axle considering north and south are the two axle ends,have a tendency to "spray off" electrons which can be collected in the form of conventional electricity. I've been testing this and after clamping a neodymium magnet to the driving shaft of a table grinder, I was able to measure a tension of some 0,3 volts by 2500 RPM. Simply holding one end of the multimeterpins at the center of the half inch thick, round magnet and the other pin on the outside diameter of the magnet.
After trying over and over again I was convinced that it's really working the way faraday and bruce de Palma discribed. Look on youtube for the homopolair generator.
But to all of you who are open minded enough and willing to plough through the abstract matter equal to what Nicola Tesla was researching, I would like to state that there must be an overseen flow of energy with exraordinair properties. According to my own findings it's some sort of law that there has to be some sort of fluctuation of potential which interacts in order to form resonance. The effect is that there will be an influx of ambient energy flowing into the "gap"created in the time/space continuum.
The amount of energy equals the virtual size of the gap.
Indeed there is no energy out of nothing but since we know that there is an abundance of energy which has to be lured in. Some of us are able to reach a COP>1 but the majority of all the explorers have only archeived tiny fractions of that matter. But everything start in small amounts and ones we get the hang of it, we're off.
The other theory is that there is enertia needed to take advantage of the "bounce" of ions that are much slower than the electrons. Practically that says that a sudden switching off a circuit trough a "polluted" conductor, creates a afterbounce of radiant energy that can be harnessed.
Who has any ideas???
guest with a brain
06/21/2009 (33 weeks ago)
Another good video to contemplate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agTHok-W_PI&feature=channel_page

Also: "Tesla ran a '35 pierce arrow, a 4500lb car, on a custom built AC motor with an antenna to pick up energy from the environment."

What energy from the environment? The sound energy? The heat energy? The EM energy? None of these could run the 4500lb car. So we are left with the pseudoscience explanations, "negative energy", "dirac sea energy", "quantum foam energy", "vacuum energy", "zero point energy", and my favourite, "unknown or new 'magic' energy."

It never happened, it's just a self-propagating fantasy conjured up by the "believers" and originally triggered by the "free energy" pulp press. Or it could be a lie propagated by the covert agents in the "free energy" cottage industry to keep the "Energy from the Vacuum" DVD series selling. It's a scam within a scam.
guest
06/21/2009 (33 weeks ago)
Asking if an all-magnet motor that generates energy out of nothing is possible, is sort of like asking if you believe in perpetual-motion machines. For centuries people have tried to build such machines, consisting of magnets, or pulleys, or springs, or water wheels, etc., and they have all failed simply because of the principle of conservation of energy. You can't create energy out of nothing; you can only convert energy from one form to another. So before anyone can build an all-magnet motor, they have to demonstrate the existence of a perpetual-motion machine, and that is a physical impossibility and an exercise in futility. It may sound cool and zen-like for some to say that "the impossible is possible" but such a statement is just a pile of nonsense.
guest
06/21/2009 (33 weeks ago)
> Knowledge shlould be added up and not disposed.
> There is always a golden rule and that is if you reject an idea, put something positive in place or shut up!

The advancement of knowledge depends on the accumulation of good ideas but also on the rejection of bad ideas. We should be investing in research into harnessing and developing renewable energy, instead of engaging in quackery.

Jed Clampett
06/21/2009 (33 weeks ago)
Agreed, and so comply.

Thanks for all the great gifts.
rob
06/21/2009 (33 weeks ago)
quote["no one is more enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free".]Johann Wolfgang von Goethe 18th century.
Or to put it in another way; no one is more ignorant and blind than he that believes to have seen the boudaries of the universe.

If we're not kept free to think outside of the wellknown pardigms and instead have ourselves clubbed back into the confineries of old thoughtframes, we're bound to dry and rot away in oblivia.
Therefore i would like to suggest to yield from fruitlees discussions that has only one purpose. To distract and to waste energy and to devide and rule.
This should not be.
I believe you're all countrymen and realise that there is more at stake than just personal gain in who is right or who is wrong. Knowledge shlould be added up and not disposed.
There is always a golden rule and that is if you reject an idea, put something positive in place or shut up!
rob
06/21/2009 (33 weeks ago)
I love to see that even in an little outskirt of the world wide woop woop there is such a batlle going on amongst man.
Yes it is! No it isn't! Yes it is! No it isn't.Yes it is! No it isn't! Yes it is! No it isn't.Yes it is! No it isn't! Yes it is! No it isn't.Yes it is! No it isn't! Yes it is! No it isn't.Yes it is! No it isn't! Yes it is! No it isn't.Yes it is! No it isn't! Yes it is! No it isn't.Yes it is! No it isn't! Yes it is! No it isn't.Yes it is! No it isn't! Yes it is! No it isn't.Yes it is! No it isn't! Yes it is! No it isn't.Yes it is! No it isn't! Yes it is! No it isn't.Yes it is! No it isn't! Yes it is! No it isn't.Yes it is! No it isn't! Yes it is! No it isn't.
Yoda
06/21/2009 (33 weeks ago)
a couple of decades at most, one has lived.
yet the universe, he thinks he knows
himself, he has not explored
an old sage, to lecture he tries
teach, is not his goal
darkness, obfuscation, deceit and self deception; rule his mind.
sad indeed.
to be free, his own key a slave must make
the slave of another, to be given the key makes
guest
06/21/2009 (33 weeks ago)
"Tesla ran a '35 pierce arrow, a 4500lb car, on a custom built AC motor with an antenna to pick up energy from the environment."

absolute nonsense. Believers lying has no boundry's.
Please learn how the universe operates...it does not operate on myths.
Jed Clampett
06/21/2009 (33 weeks ago)
Jed Clampett

It can't be done here in the States or anywhere they can get you before it becomes ubiquitous and steal it or hide it.
Same with wind energy, start it in the poor countries where people are willing to put it on their rooftops, and by the time they realize what hit them, their stocks hae hit the roof and they failed to advance with the will of the people.
Tesla ran a '35 pierce arrow, a 4500lb car, on a custom built AC motor with an antenna to pick up energy from the environment. Since the Builderburgers had taken just about everything else from him, he decided to stash it.
guest
06/20/2009 (33 weeks ago)
> guest with a brain i understand now where you get your energy from. i wondered why there was soo much anger in you.

> you sound disappointed and probobly a few times been fooled big time in your life. i guess a lot of people have.

Quit your sanctimonious preaching. Guest with a brain is simply exposing the nonsensical arguments coming from the "free energy" believers. What if somebody told you they had invented an immortality pill or a faster-than-light spaceship without providing a shred of evidence, came up with a bunch of pseudoscientific and childishly nonsensical arguments to support their claims, and then charged anyone who didn't believe them as being "closed-minded" or a "stinking turd"? What would your reaction be? Well the arguments in support of "free energy" are in the same category: they consist of false, unsupported claims and no evidence whatsoever.

I would suggest looking at the YouTube video that guest with a brain recommended earlier. It pretty much summarizes the issue of science vs. pseudoscience, and open- and closed-mindedness, in easy to understand terms. Here is the URL again: www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI
guest
06/20/2009 (33 weeks ago)
Suppression is the mantra of the free energy believer. It begs the question. There is no free energy because it is suppressed and we know it's suppressed because there are no free energy machines. What a bunch of idiots.
guest
06/20/2009 (33 weeks ago)
Not only is it possible as it has been proved possible it is not how it works it is how it is used. And is now a reality after 30 yrs of trial and error as the answer was the most simple. However if this idea where to be brought out, It's inventor and the device would either dissapear or meet with fatal circumstances.
guest
06/20/2009 (33 weeks ago)
guest with a brain i understand now where you get your energy from. i wondered why there was soo much anger in you.

you sound disappointed and probobly a few times been fooled big time in your life. i guess a lot of people have.

a person like you and a person like jed or yoda would not be able to understand or discuss anything properly because like jed and yoda there mind have a different direction and purpose like yours.

both you guys have very good points and views but totally different purpose. jed and yoda have nothing to lose ad will keep looking for answers and theres definitely nothing wrong with that while your purpose is not looking for answers but looking for thieves and theres also nothing wrong with that.
there are always one or two people out there who are very genuine about the subject so dont be on there way. coming out strong does not find those thieves but do put out a warning to everyone that there are people out there taking advantage of this matter.

remember your side and jed yoda side will never meet because of your two different direction.

there are no enemies but we have differences.
guest with a brain
06/19/2009 (33 weeks ago)
>
Yoda
06/19/2009 (2 minutes ago)
hmm
the enemy within, dropped his brain has
by any other name, does a turd not still stink?
stopping progress, his mission is.
>

Oh stop this nosense Yoda. I am all for progress, against nonsense, and will trash out and out theives in the "free energy" cottage industry that want to steal money from people like you.

What's also laughable is that you and Jed try to pretend that you are open-minded "big thinkers" that take the moral high ground while at the same time calling sensible people like me "maggots in shit" or "stinking turds".

And again, the technical questions that Jed has posed have clearly revealed that he has almost no clue what he is talking about. I will guess that you are the same.

Progress has to be REAL, not fake "vortex engines that use no fuel" or nonsensencial stringing together of "free energy" catch phrases that sound "impressive" but mean absolutely NOTHING.

WAKE UP!!!!!!!
Yoda
06/19/2009 (33 weeks ago)
hmm
the enemy within, dropped his brain has
by any other name, does a turd not still stink?
stopping progress, his mission is.
guest
06/19/2009 (33 weeks ago)
"When two become one, the excess is released and set free. For the initial boost however, free energy is called upon to help increase the energy state of the two."

What a load of shit, are you a preacher. Your comment is not scientific.
guest
06/19/2009 (33 weeks ago)
"How can any one be expected to build any machine to perform work with out any real understanding what makes it work!"

You're a real clown Jethro. Magnets are understood enough to make motors that do work all the time..and none are OU.
Eric
06/19/2009 (33 weeks ago)
I most certainly believe it is possible but i guess only time will tell us the truth.
Jed Clampett
06/19/2009 (33 weeks ago)
When two become one, the excess is released and set free. For the initial boost however, free energy is called upon to help increase the energy state of the two. It's a miraculous flux that happens constantly, always creating new.
Some, the most sensitive antennas among us, the ones who have somewhat cleaned their windows and opened their doors to the appropiate channels, sometimes get a glimpse of this. It sort of looks like whike noise... little strings that appear and dissapear with a flash of light.
Of course they that still deal in the mathematical logic of NOT + NOT != Knot would not even try to deduce it. But so is the clockwork of enigma on those that prefer to not have their own light within.
Granny
06/19/2009 (33 weeks ago)
JETHRO!!!

I will not answer the question about the magnet Jethero because you are playing the straw man argument game Jethro! I'll keep flappin' my gums and shaking a stick at you as long as you are as dumb as a hawg that can't find his way back home to Bugtussle.

Granny has been lookin' at fake free energy Y'allTube clips for about three long years now and can tell you that the Crystal Ion engine is a total piece of crap. Why don't you tell your audience how the Crystal Ion engine works since you are pitching it? No hog crap now about quantum effects making it work because the "engine" is on a macro scale.

Granny says that the "Crystal Ion engine" is nothing more than a prop to make uneducated hillbillies take some of that money that they have stuffed inside their matresses and give it to some flim-flam man, and they will never see their hard-earned money again!!! They would be better off drinking moonshine and chasin' after Ellie May or taking the train to Petticoat Junction.

That's the way it is Jethro Bodine, now you go back to your fasntasies about being a double-knot spy but no fantasies about magic turbine engines that spin all by themselves with no fuel. All the kinfolk down here know the stories about the flim-flam men! Now shoo!!!
guest
06/19/2009 (33 weeks ago)
It'a an eather pump, self sustaining. reacts at a quantum level.
Jethro
06/18/2009 (33 weeks ago)
Then answer the question Granny! What's a magnet?
Quit flappen your gums unless you have an answer.
Then tell what make an electron spin then you'll be able to design a self sustaining turbine to meet all the worlds energy needs! ...now till you come up with the answer.....back to kitchen an finish maken my possum stew!
Granny
06/18/2009 (33 weeks ago)
JETHERO BODINE!!!!

You stop posting links to pseudoscience scam clips like the "Crystal Ion - Aerodynamic Air Turbine Engine Vortex Implosion" or your granny is gunna whoop your ass with a fist bull of britches until it turns black and blue!
guest Question
06/18/2009 (33 weeks ago)
to everyone of you whose going to read this qustion, answer it.

HOW FAR HAVE WE (humankind)ACHIEVED SINCE THE VERY BEGGINING OF OUR EXISTENCE?
please explain..

think very carefully when you answer this question because the answer will be very shocking.
Jethero Bodine
06/18/2009 (33 weeks ago)
I posted as a guestion in this thread back on 6/1/09 and Still there is yet to be a posted answer to my question. Amazing! What is a magnet?
How can any one be expected to build any machine to perform work with out any real understanding what makes it work! What makes an electron spin?.....and spin it does.....faster than the speed of light!
Do you want to look at electrons...you know look at them real time in plain view for all the world to see?
There is plenty of energy still available to be extracted from the change of state of matter rather than the change of properties of matter.
Isn't any one interested in this energy source? It's free after you fabricate the mechanical extraction device or (turbine) to utilize it.
Richard Clem did it and he had about a 3rd grade edumacation!....unlike Jethero who has a 5th grade edumacation!
Still waiting for the correct answer to my questions???????????????????????

I'll post again when I see the correct answers.
and yes Jed....there is a self sustaining air turbine that hits about 90K RPM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URSuEEG_A0o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7ai9xvQyW0
I can cut that speed in half and extract the same energy out put. It's all in the understanding of the physics to be able to mechanically replicate all things in the natural universe that surrounds us.
Happy energy trails to all!
Jed Clampett
06/18/2009 (33 weeks ago)
Jed Clampett

Iron wire... of course... that's what Nik was trying to tell me, had it on the tip of my fingers and hadn't quite recognized it.

Thanks for confirmation.
guest
06/17/2009 (33 weeks ago)
Of course. It must be hand cranked just to get it started though. Rotating assembly through magnets give off current to drive the assembly. Leedskalin uses iron wire to carry magnetic current out of his PMH to run a coil indefinately.
Ford model T. Faraday...
Jed Clampett
06/17/2009 (33 weeks ago)
The trouble is that we keep carrying wood for a few thoughtless beavers that work and work, making the other animals carry wood for them without thought for the forest. All the beavers see is the trees (money).
So they stack wood up higher and higher, and when a bird needs a branch to build her nest, they throw a dog a stick and he quickly complies to keep the rest of he animals away from the pile. Dogs know no better, they only do what they've been trained to do since they were pups, the idiot box makes a great training tools.

The man is made with 5 windows and a door, but when excrement is thrown at his windows on a constant basis, he either closes the blinds and opens the door to anyone or anything without true examination. Or slams the door shut and turns on the idiot box to show him the outside world, a distorted image for sure, made even more so by the indiscriminate use of poisoned words. It gets so you can't close the door because of the foul wind coming in, or you can't hear the tornado outside because the house of bricks you've built is too rigid to let you know how really bad the weather is.

So, the solution is to starve out the beavers before the whole forest is gone. Time to clean up your windows, open them up a bit and then go to the door, open and close it, open and close it, to create a flow that brings fresh air into the room and allows you to hear the birds sing, the water flow, the leaves russtle in the wind.

The whole system works much better when the animals realize they are all part of the forest and don't let the ill winds produced by a turd spoil the atmosphere.

We could all fly like birds on the wing if the flying pigs didn't also want the air only for themselves and kept the rest of the creatures tied to the ground.

BTW-Did you see GhwB in a parachute last week?

Peace
guest
06/17/2009 (33 weeks ago)
guest with a brain once again you have a point but again your just saying the obious.

you see one of the problem in this system we're living in is that we're so into deep of how money works and the power it brings to a man.
human have survive back in the time where they have to gather woods for everyday needs and still happens to a lot of people today and fortunately still surviving.

although the difference between surviving back in time and now is that before everyone has to gather there own wood and now not everyone has to.
theres nothing wrong with someone coming up with an idea to make life easier im for that, although it depends where you look at it, are you making life easier so we dont all have to gather woods or are you making life easier so a man carrying the woods wont have to carry so much (equal).

at this point in time one of the biggest problem is that there are too many men carrying too much woods on there shoulder and fixing it by giving these men technology so its easier to carry the woods does not fix the problem, maybe it wont be so tiring but there still carrying the same amount of woods.

and again science as you see always searching a way to make things good and easier like environmental friendly but at the end a man pays even more coz science once again made things good and easier but at this point this doesnt really help the man instead the man carries more woods and pays more for something the man's not really struggling about.
the very biggening was the problem because a man thought of an idea but wanted something bigger for it instead of sharing the idea. and as time went passed the checky wise man felt and knew the power it brought to his hand. so then the man keep thinking of an idea to keep feeding his power which became greed. at the end the man became the ruler and the rest keeps feeding him thinking there simple life just became simplier. what the rest didnt realise was that as labor became easier living got harder.

it was never so that i wont have to walk, i dont mind walking to get what i need. it was wise people wanted to get ahead of the herd. and poor me did not know what really was happening and keeps falling for it.

we are all here continueing the same sytem and are so deep into it, its so hard to accept and hard to get up and out of.
we were never the man we say we were.

so much for "sharing is caring"

now here we all are..
draco
06/17/2009 (33 weeks ago)
Probably very possible, as telluric currents (earth's electrical field) have been harnessed in the 1800s to power telegraph systems. Hardly worth it considering how any small magnet can compare to a fairly sizable planet.
guest with a brain
06/16/2009 (33 weeks ago)
> i dont have to thank those people who comes up with energy to give me a hot shower and cook my bacon and egg im paying for it so whats there to thank. if they havent come up with the energy to give me a hot shower ill find a way if i wanted to ill find a way to cook my bacon and egg if i get hungry.

Really? You are sounding a bit arrogant there, guest. What would you rather pay for, electricity or coal?

You are going to find a way yourself? Sure, you can spend one hour, perhaps several hours per day walking around looking for wood to burn, and then carry it home and make a fire under your hot water boiler so you can have your hot shower. Then you can put some of that wood in your wood stove to make your bacon and eggs. You would have to do that every single day or else you starve and die. Depending on where you live, you may end up turning your country into scorched earth just like Haiti.
guest with a brain
06/16/2009 (33 weeks ago)
> guest with a brain the real world your talking about is run and design by people who wants to earn money who will not accept a free energy theory coz obiously theres no money in there for them and will keep paying the government to shutdown anyone who comes up anything that comes cheap or even worse free.

I have some news for you. I will guess that 2% of the economy is on the energy production side and 98% of the economy is on the energy consumption side. Take the example of the aluminum industry. The aluminum industry consumes massive amounts of electricity to produce aluminum, it's almost shocking.

If you could demonstrate a device to aluminum industry executives that would reduce their electricity consumption by 90% they would jump at the opportunity and be willing to pay hundreds of millions of dollars, perhaps billions for the technology.

But alas, there is no Bedini motor solution, there is no magnet motor solution, Perendev doesn't work, Steorn is a joke, Magnacoaster is fictional nonsense, and the list goes on and on and on.

Repeat: the aluminum industry is ready, willing, and able to spend hundreds of millions of dollars for an energy saving solution TODAY, but there is no solution. The only "solutions" are nonsense sales pitches to sell a few DVDs or crackpots that make YouTube videos out of compulsion or to stroke their egos.

So the aluminum industry continus with the "brute force" electricity production methods, the ones that are REAL, the ones that follow the law of conservation of energy.
Yoda
06/16/2009 (33 weeks ago)
Chaos, good is not.
serenity, feeds all.
peace, is growth.
independence, freedom is.

slaves, the empty shells want.
Titans must be deposed
guest
06/16/2009 (33 weeks ago)
guest with a brain the real world your talking about is run and design by people who wants to earn money who will not accept a free energy theory coz obiously theres no money in there for them and will keep paying the government to shutdown anyone who comes up anything that comes cheap or even worse free.
if we have to come up with the biggest warehouses of spinning magnet motors so be it. if you havent notice our technology always comes massive the first time it comes out.
i dont have to thank those people who comes up with energy to give me a hot shower and cook my bacon and egg im paying for it so whats there to thank. if they havent come up with the energy to give me a hot shower ill find a way if i wanted to ill find a way to cook my bacon and egg if i get hungry.
guest with a brain the science that you talk about is making people pay shit load of money so dont go on stopping other people out there whose trying to find out a better energy system for a better pay and even better not pay at all.
the real enemy is greed because when a man posses the power the man forgets the real problem and the opposite is a man who finds the solution but doesnt have the power.

you have a point but dont talk like you know whats going to happen and teach people in an arrogant way about what you think you know. the way i see it is that you only know what you see otherwise there nothing special about you.

if theres going to be chaos for the sake of equality so let it begin.
buest with a grain
06/15/2009 (34 weeks ago)
arrogance of stupidity
pink floyd - high hopes - the division bell
06/15/2009 (34 weeks ago)
Beyond the horizon of the place we lived
when we were young
in a world of magnets and miracles
our thoughts strayed constantly and without boundary
the ringing of the division bell had begun

along the long road and down the causeway
do they still meet there by the cut

there was a ragged band that followed in our footsteps
running before time took our dreams away
leaving the myriad small creatures trying to tie us to the ground
to a life consumed by slow decay

the grass was greener
the light was brighter
with friends surrounded
the nights of wonder

looking beyond the embers of bridges glowing behind us
to a glimpse of how green it was on the other side
steps taken forward, but sleep walking back again
dragged by the force of some inner tide

at a higher altitude with flag unfurled
we reached the dizzy heights of that dreamed of world

encumbered for ever, by desire and ambition
there's a hunger still unsatisfied
our weary eyes still stray to the horizon
though down this road we've been so many times

the grass was greener
the light was brighter
teh taste was sweeter
the nights of wonder
with friends surrounded
the dawn was growing
the water flowing
the endless river

forever and ever
Kan-sas
06/15/2009 (34 weeks ago)
farts in the wind, all you are is farts in the wind.
guest with a brain
06/14/2009 (34 weeks ago)
Jed and Rob: I have some news for you, the "enemy" is you. If you live in a country with a Western-style per capita anual energy consumption then you are "destroying the planet" yourselves. It's not your fault, you can't escape it. You are plugged in wether you like it or not.

The "life force" is the sun. Feel the heat of your arm, that's solar energy doing a slow burn keeping you alive.

Speaking of the sun, it pumps an astronimical amount of energy onto the Earth every second. All that we have to do is manage this more wisely as time goes on and we will be fine.

If you think that progress has been stifled, then where have you been the last 20 years? Your home computer is now 1000 times faster.

"Prosecute those who have been involved in the genocide of all living beings on this planet."

Do you want to take yourself out of the energy consumption pool? You are starting to sound like you are in a cult.

The world's way of finding and exploiting energy has evolved over time. A few generations ago most people were shovelling coal into their furnaces, as many still do so today. Oil helped transform the world, from plastic forks to jet fuel. It has been an integral part of our energy infracture for about 100 years. It's oil that gives you your hot shower and your bacon and eggs breakfast.

It appears that we are just beginning a transition to alternative energy, but we don't yet have a way to meet that per capita consumption by a large margin. Chances are the per capita energy consumption will trend down over time while the alternative sources trend up. Of course I am talking about legitimate alternative sources. There are never going to be giant warehouses of spinning magnet motors supplying power to cities, never.

Changes in commodity prices are all part of a economic system with varous feedback loops that will adapt over time to a new energy supply pie. Perhaps in two generations we will be 80% powered by renewable energy sources. It's possible.

And that's the real-world rebutt to all of your "It doesn't fit into their plans of destroying the planet and all it's lifefoms so it can steal the life force, in essence, enslaving the planet for it's own exploitation" machinations.

Beyond that, there is still the issue of both of you not having a basic technical understanding of how the world works; matter, electromagnetism, physics, energy, astronomy, etc, etc.

So my advice to both of you is to look through a Time-Life Science Library series coffee-table-style book when you are on the throne and learn about how the real world works. "Water", "Energy", "The Cell", "The Universe", "Machines" there is a whole bunch of them. You can find the whole set at a garage sale for ten bucks. Get through the whole Time-Life Science Library series and them come back to the table.
Jed Clampett
06/14/2009 (34 weeks ago)
The enemy has infiltrated all established life support and edification systems in such a way as to make them mere shells, designed to actually stifle progress. They fear the new, the advance, healthy growth. It doesn't fit into their plans of destroying the planet and all it's lifefoms so it can steal the life force, in essence, enslaving the planet for it's own exploitation.
Time to put an end to it. Prosecute those who have been involved in the genocide of all living beings on this planet.
rob
06/14/2009 (34 weeks ago)
The problem with science is that it has changed the aspects.If science stops researching and starts judging they're serving false religion instead of serving the wonders of nature.
Jed Clampett
06/13/2009 (34 weeks ago)
Glad to find a kindred Rob, love the irony of the moniker, as the gift you try to give is one that only a few can appreciate. Just ask JC.

If I may interject on the rule of two's... It is not about two's, it's about threes. To only see the two extremes is to ignore what's in the middle.
As an example, the atom is not composed of two, but three. Proton and nucleus with an electron around it. Earth, sun and moon. Mind, body and soul.
What we tend to ignore is the interaction and therein lies the key to 'free energy', it should be more like a harvesting of energy, as it has been shown that without the input of care, a farmer harvests nothing and then is unable to feed his family. As Maxwell posited, items in resonance interact freely, with free exchanges of energy and information. Hence, molecules of water in an ocean, know they are water and try to stay together, hence the quandry of like forces attract at quantum level.
There is interaction between Earth, Sol and Center of our Galaxy. This is very important and ancient explorers knew this well, they were in perfect tune with the homeworld, so much so, that they could build observatories aligned to perfection and buildings that were the equivalent of calendars. This requires an intimate knowledge of Earth, it's circumference, it's ellipsis around Sol and how the moon affects the entire system. The ancients knew some amazing things and that is why their cultures have been decimated and till today, that knowledge is under assault and trying to be erased; It's also why indigenous peoples all over the world are still under threat of oppression, tyrany and terrorism.

Good or bad does not exist. It is a human creation to assert value to some cause and effect. A method of explaining or flattening out a topic. Drop your shields, clean out your windows and open your doors, let some fresh air into the room... your brain if you prefer.

Everything is electromagnetic interaction, therefore, gravity is merely an expression of electromagnetic interaction, or perhaps some shielding thereof. We tend to look at a result, and think of it as cause.

Examples.... the interaction of the electromagnetic spectrum with the passive system in the eye, and their potentials, is interpreted by the brain as light. It responds to one octave of the spectrum. what we call Visible light. Close your eyes after looking at something bright and you see the remnants of ultraviolet interaction with the sensor. Hearing is also another part of the spectrum with interacts with the eardrum and is interpreted in the sensors within the ear. These sensors are also sensitive to the magnetic field of Earth and help us and animals orient ourselves. This is the organ that helps animals, birds, insects, etc. migrate and in some cases find food. The skin reacts to low frequency peturbances as well as to infrared. and so on. we are a specialized antenna that is being bombarded by all the high frequency radiation that 'humanity' has so stupidly decided to spread all over the surface of Earth.

The spin is the key as you say, and hence my earlier post. Enjoy.

Peace... may pigs fly.
brain hurts
06/13/2009 (34 weeks ago)
umm thr Wright bros were flying around the US for 2 years while the learned men kept say heavier than air flight was against the "laws".... errr a good example of OU is a certain mechanical heater now replacing conventional water heaters all over the US, lots of engine-ears have said it is about 110%-120% efficent... the only "learned" person to bother looking at this working device said by the measuments he had seen it would seem to backup what is claimed, but he couldnt comment because he was not a scientist.... but of course all scientists know it cant work ... right Olli? Wilbur?
guest
06/13/2009 (34 weeks ago)
There is no way to arrange any number of magnets in such a way as to leave an unbalanced force (attraction, or repellant) to produce motion.

All alleged magnet motors turn out to be scams sooner or later.
rob
06/13/2009 (34 weeks ago)
Dear commentators,

The scientific stronghold of theories about the nature of nature is cracking therefore "new thinkers"are being ridiculed. I would like to propose another theory about magnets and ambient energy. As far as I can see it's very hard to put the linear energy or properties of any permanent magnet to use as an source of "labour". We haven't found a way 'yet', to overcome the phase of equilibrium therefore is uptill now a tool used as a medium to activate a current flow through a conductor. Faraday and Bruce de Palma clearly showed us that a fast spinning magnet around it's axle can electrons to persuade to spin off. But there has to be movement involved. But movement is always a relative issue because what isn't moving? Before we know it we land up in an Einsteinian philosophy.
But I'm crazy enough to suggest that the properties of a magnet is not magnetism itself!
It only has the asymmetrical condition to funnel asymmetrical effects which we conceive as magnetism. This idea puts this element in a much wider perspective. A parallel to that I would like to take one more step beyond to say that even gravity is not a property of a mass-unit such as planets or asteroids. The change in paradigm goes towards an external force which could be gravitons or magnetons. Gravitons get denser as one goes deeper in the Earth crust. Gravitons cannot be shielded off unless there is a counterforce applied which causes anti-gravity. These experiment are already been done (Hutchinson and Searle) I'm willing to assume that both magnetism and gravity conceal the same secret yes to be discovered. Ones understood, these forces can be manipulated in order to work for the benefit of new techniques.
Yoda
06/13/2009 (34 weeks ago)
HMMM, a fellow Jedi entered the struggle, he has.
Omen good for Earth.

What your Planet can do for you, think not. What you can do for your planet, think.
guest
06/13/2009 (34 weeks ago)
Rob,

I'm all for alternative thinking but there is no such thing as an overunity machine. Governments and corporations would not have the power to suppress the will of billions of people to expose the discovery of free-energy. The reason nothing has happened is simply because virtually all cases have been fraudulent and the inventors are unable to comply once required to prove their discovery to the world.

As for this discussion...

A permanent magnet is nothing more than a battery with a charge of magnetic energy. As soon as you use it the field strength begins to wear down. The rate at which this occurs depends on the size/strength of the opposing magnets, exposed temperature, and their composition.

Even if inventors figured out a way to harness the potential stored energy of rare-earth permanent magnets, their energy density is far inferior to current battery technology, which we would normally measure in Watt-hours (Wh). In addition re-magnetizing permanent magnets would require dissembling the motor, pulling out all rotor and stator magnets then re-assembling it all once done--very inconvenient and unideal.
guest
06/13/2009 (34 weeks ago)
The answer to everything is Two ?. there is no Up unless there is a Down, no Left without a Right, no Start without a Stop, And the answer is Yes or No. And No free Power without a Cost, End of Story.
Dave017
guest
06/13/2009 (34 weeks ago)
The answer to everthing is Two ?. there is no Up unless there is a Down, no Left without a Right, no Start without a Stop, And the answer is Yes or No. And No free Power without a Cost, End of Story.
Dave017
rob
06/13/2009 (34 weeks ago)
As I can see this forum is a perfect example of the world we live in.
Stil burning witches. Don't come up with alternative thinking or you'll be arroganted.
Never mind, the future will tell who was right or wrong. And one thing is for sure that conservative thinking never brought about the many innovations that are beneficial to all of us. Even the uneven spread of progress and wealth is a by-product of respect less and conservative thinking.

Topic: energy/magnetics/perpetual motion etc.
Implosionengines or vacuumthrust does exist! Otherwise stirlingengines would't be there.
And if your willing to change the paradigm, nothing is impossible!
Go down to the essence of matter and energy and you'll find that the very fabric of the universe has very much in common. So if we allow ourselves to look beyond what we can perceive, the world we live in will start to grow.Before the era of the microscope, nobody could imagine what could be there in a single droplet of water.
We're just beginning to see what is happening in myriads of the fractal reality.
Finally after all these ages quantum physics and ancient spirituality finally get the hang of being more related than ever thought before.
The difference between a person that swims in deep water and having a good time with it and some one drowning is the mindset and practice.

guest
06/13/2009 (34 weeks ago)
Somebody take away GWBs ANT collection, please. If you've seen Change your brain, change your life fitness" during the membership drives you know what I'm talking about.

Can you just imagine what the the functional MRI of that guy must look like. Sad, sad case indeed.
guest with a brain
06/12/2009 (34 weeks ago)
Rock on Jed brother! Throw enough catch phrases at the energy issue and click your heels twice and put on your anti-tinking caps and for a few fleeting seconds you can almost think the dream in real!

Meanwhile, did you enjoy your hot shower and crispy bacon and eggs this morning? Listen to the beautiful dull roar of the traffic in the city, almost sounds like the ocean.
Jed Clampett
06/12/2009 (34 weeks ago)
I agree 100% Rob, I don't mess with turds much only to make sure nothing valuable is going out with the trash. Usually when you stir them, tney tend to wallow in their own stink. little parasites within love that sh!t.

Yessir, I think it's great to have another free thinker online. pulsed magnetism in the proper order will split H^2O nicely, and not much is required to produce a lot by braking the electromagnetic bond. All you need to do is coax the water to rotate the way Schauberger showed. The problems of the modern combustion engine's engineering, the reverse position of the valves, can be easily overcome. We already have the computer control system in place to overcome these little problems for now. We merely have to avail ourselves of the tools and skills to change the maps and the ECU's programming.
We are decimal brothers. no binaries are going to overcome us.

Great to see others are involved in getting these turds off our backs.

Peace to you and great winds for your sails. power on.
guest with a brain
06/12/2009 (34 weeks ago)
Oops here is the statement: This takes advantage of the fusion between the H and O into water. When two masses, H and O, become one, the energy released is astounding to say the least. It will cause a sucction, a vacuum that will pull the piston up. Implosion is reportedly several times stronger than explosion.
guest with a brain
06/12/2009 (34 weeks ago)
Jed and Rob:

You guys are just doing the same old "free energy" dream talk. None of what you state has ever been proven with verifiable results, nor does it make any sense. You two are just dupes supporting the "free energy" cottage industry. After all, Tom Bearden wants to eat too, he just doesn't want to work.

Statements can be so revealing.



Really? How can implosion possibly be stronger than explosion? Let's put our thinking caps on. What is the maximum pressure you can put on the piston with implosion? Well, maximum presure would be acheived if you had a perfect vacuum inside the pistion. What's on the other side of the piston? Oh yeah, it's air pressure, about 32 psi if I recall. Can explosion produce more than 32 psi? The answer to that question is obviously yes. Therefore the statement, "Implosion is reportedly several times stronger than explosion." is completely wrong, and is simply impossible. You don't have to be an engineer to figure these things out. Do either of you care to rebutt?

Please, no pie-in-the-sky theories that implosion will release "another unknown energy source."

Also, please don't flog the old big-oil, energy enslavement, covert agent, etc pitch. Real scienticts knew flight was possible in the day. What was the problem that needed solving? Answer: The power to weight ratio for the engine, which was solved when early gasoline engines had a good enough power/weight ratio. Mylow was a total fake and all-magnet motors are not possible. Something about doing a line indegral on the magnetic field through any closed loop always gives you zero.
rob
06/12/2009 (34 weeks ago)
Jed,

In order to accomplish a powerstroke from imploding gasses by the fusion of HH and O, you need a LOT of HH+O which cannot be made that easy with conventional electrolysis.
There are however frequencies in which water resonates which makes "the split"much easier.
But your proposal sounds all right though you cannot do this with constructions as we know from combustion engines because the working pressure has to come op top of the piston. That's the strongest construction. If you extract the power by pulling on the piston it will crack sooner or later due to metal fatigue.
For now a smooth transformation into the correct combustion era, it's best to re adjust and convert all engines to a HH and O mixture.
Do not expect to have it "off the shelf" but manifacture it yourself or with the aid of handy friends.
And DO NOT PAY txes if they try to regulate it or tax it.
"They"never gave a damn and they knew all the way it could be done. All the crap they tell you about a clean environment is hypocrite bullshit because all they care about is money.
You mentioned the Bilderbergers. I know quiet something about them and they are the meanest motherfuckers ever there was but no need to look at the turd while there is a rose growing next to it.
That's our focus and I do sincerely hope there will be a good concept popping up in the near future because it could be our escape out of this silly mess.
Just like Tom Bearden said: think outside of the box and never kill the dipole.
There's a vast amount of people out there who are breaking their brains on something really useful. Some hundred fifty years ago, when you thought of flying, most people would probably put their index finger to their forehead saying your nuts but see how it all developed!
It's got to be dead easy and ones we get the knack of it, we're off!
Jed Clampett
06/12/2009 (34 weeks ago)
I LOVE that you are working on this without external support, that's the only way to do it without the builderburgers taking it over for themselves or killing us to prevent us from deposing them.

Tesla shows us how to split the pulses discharged from a capacitor into three circuits, then multiply the three different phases generated to amplify the power. Look into his books for keys to the puzzle.

As to HHO... it's great as an assist to fuel burning, but better would be to go the route of Charles Pogue or Tom Ogle. Vaporize the fuel before putting it into the pistons. The vapor is many times more reactive than the liquid and therefore more economical. They don't want us to economize or reduce emission by complete burn.

Even more radical... since you have the HHO portion running, try to put the HHO by itself into the engine and provide the spark at btc (bottom dead center) rather than top. This takes advantage of the fusion between the H and O into water. When two masses, H and O, become one, the energy released is astounding to say the least. It will cause a sucction, a vacuum that will pull the piston up. Implosion is reportedly several times stronger than explosion. And so it should be, creation is a much more powerful force than destruction.
guest
06/12/2009 (34 weeks ago)
rob,

Bedini motors have been replicated and the general consensus, including Sterling Allan's, is that they do not work or at least provide any sort of overunity.

Now imagine what would happen if permanent magnets ever became the holy grail energy source (which they are not) the value of magnets would sky-rocket past even precious metals. Permanent magnetic manufacturers would quickly become the new "oil companies" and you'll pay through your butt for new magnets.
rob
06/12/2009 (34 weeks ago)
Another variation on magnetism in combination with electric energy is the bedini circuit of which I already build one.
It actually does such in energy from the ambient thus there is an gain in energy. The only question now is how to beef it up to proportions that haven sufficient power to get enough households off the grid. If enough people see the advantages of this technique, the deadly grip of those who want to enslave mankind have been put backward a bit more.
Another item which certainly connects with the "alternatives", is the GEET processor. This remarkable piece of toolery invented by Paul Pantone breaks free from the crazy fuel waste and insufficient oxydation in conventional combustionengines. I've made one and it works!
I've been in all kins of engines all my life, from jetengines to marinediesels that weigh more then 35 tonnes but it never came across my mind that the conventional fuels haven a lack of chemical reaction with could cause them to burn completely.
Compare this with black gunpowder and nitrated explosives.
If you load the barrel of a gun and light it with a wick or fuse, the gunpowder will start to go "off" and just because the substance goes relative fast it builds up pressure against the inertia of the heavy ball that has to be shot away.
If you take any modern explosive material it will hardly burn if you light it with a fire but if you detonate it, it will react thousand times faster and more complete than traditional blackpowder.
That's what you get when you mix some watergas (HH-O) to the intake air of any conventional combustionengine.
The reaction of the carbonhydrogen fuel with oxygen particles will not only take place much faster but also more complete. Preignition will be obsolete in this way thus giving extra torque to the crancshaft while the exhaust blurs out much less unburned carbon, which is soot. Advantages for your economics and our enviroment.
This technique is known for over fifty years and the government keep yapping about CO2 taxes and bla bla.. but such simple device could revolutionize our world.
I know an d you know what's keeping them from doing this.
But that doesn't stop us from building and using these inventions and use it for the benefit of not only our freedom but also our selfrespect!
Jed Clampett
06/12/2009 (34 weeks ago)
I hope you never come looking for a job at the Engineering business where I work with that attitude, well, actually, I hope it is obvious so we can avoid making the mistake of hiring you.
guest
06/11/2009 (34 weeks ago)
Adding external source of energy like an electromagnet connected to a solar panel or battery can obviously get you passed the cogging effect but then you'd just have a primitive electric motor that uses more electric energy than you get out of it mechanically. Nothing noteworthy there.
Jed Clampett
06/11/2009 (34 weeks ago)
You got it Rob; how about a small solar panel, or group thereof, to provide the external energy source. For a home, you only need a few of those that light up the little outdoor nightlights would be great, they put our about 3v dc.... or is it extremely high frequency? four in series puts out about 12 volts, depending on the day.
Tesla shows us how to convert it to high frequency discharges and then split and multiply the frequency and voltage.

Now get to work.

Peace
guest
06/11/2009 (34 weeks ago)
Lets set the record straight people:

Since permanent magnets gradually lose their flux field when exposed to other magnetic fields they can only be compared to a rechargeable battery. However, due to the attracting and repelling forces at the ends of the magnetic poles (causing alleged magnet motors to cog), usage of permanent magnets even as a battery is inhibited.

So not only are permanent magnets NOT a source of free, unlimited energy the "charge" they do contain cannot even be harnessed in a feasible way that can provide continuous propulsion--necessary for any motor.
rob
06/11/2009 (34 weeks ago)
I know there has to be a way in this.
The thing I've been trying is a steel ring on a piece of yarn and gradually bring it down to a magnets pole.
I saw that the ring started to spin and then came to a halt.
It had nothing to do with the winding of the string but is just stopped. There is no perpetual rotation on a string!
I know quiet a bit about magnets and one thing i know is that they are a-symmetric. It's just like a constant vector one way. But if one would want to harness the force from it, you need a pulse. No constant force or vector.
There has to be some kind of interferrance in order to have a max peak and a stil.
In bedini cicuits you'll find that the repulsive mode comes in when the trigger coil "sees"the magnet.
So there is an pulse here. Blinding off a magnet can be done electrically or mechanically but needs an external force to steer that motion, therefore external energy.
I'm literally breaking my mind on this and there has to be a trick to turn off magnetism for an instance. I guess that has yet to be pulled out of the abstract. What I did discover that magnetism is not a property of the object itself but a result of the polarized condition in which it was brought in. It sort of funnels the ambient force into an confined area which is deliberately made asymmetrical.
Just as gravity is not an property of this planet mass.
That explanes a lot about the specific gravitational effect of some metals. Why should lead be much heavier than titanium? I think because due to the atomic structure it funnels gravitons more or less having iron as a neutral element just as grade 7 is in acid or alkaline materials.
Maybe we have to think a little bigger. We have the tendancy to focus on a single or combined set of magnets too much. Because if you move them around, you'll find that the magnetic force is not equal on every spot on the Earth. It's logically interfered with the Earth field but also mildly differentially "fed" by let's say magnetons.
So that bring an argument for a whole new idea of shielding.
Beside of that. Anyone noticed the effect in case of breaking or chipping of a magnet that the piece that broke off arranges itself to a new configuration in position with "mother magnet"?
Why is a magnet so frustrated?
The brainbeaker is always the equaling out of the two opposite forces while in itself the magnet is fighting against it's solid condition appearing as a steady element.
Anyone studied the MEG from Tom Bearden?
He makes use of the frustration of an magnet to keep the field in tact by pulsing it against it's natural flow and then let the flow continue. If you do this in a certain rhythm, resonance will occur. If there is one big law in creating zero point energy, it's pulsing thus creating resonance. Mostly there is reason to assume it goes toroidal making a gate for the influx of excess energy to move into the system. I have reasons to believe that one creates a hole in the time/ space characteristics thus creating a hole that is an asymmetry in itself thus is being filled in by nature because nature has the property of equalizing all disharmonies.
I realize that this thinking is far from the well-known paradigms but on order to get somewhere you'll sometimes must take refuge to unorthodox ways and jump to the unknown.
Jed Clampett
06/11/2009 (34 weeks ago)
I read a story once that in the Amazon, you shouldn't pee in the water, because there are tiny parasites that swim up the urine stream and then lodge themselves in the urethra wall. How does it swim that well up a strong stream of urine? Perhaps the same way a trout swims upstream and a Salmon can go up waterfalls. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. For every flow there is an equal and opposite flow. This was the observation Viktor Schauberger made. Walter Russell proposes the same thing, as he was enlightened to 'the secret of light'. Hence the key and the reason magnets have the force they do, Howard Johnson mapped the two counter flows at each end of the magnet.
guest
06/10/2009 (34 weeks ago)
You cant generate energy from a magnetic force any more than you can generate energy from the force gravity. Sure they both exert force, but its a one way street. It takes as much energy to get away from a magnetic field as the work generated when a magnet pulls something....
A magnet motor would be like riding a bicycle downhill forever. Credible physicists don't believe this and neither do I. If it were possible someone would have done it a long time ago and we would not have the energy problems of today.
guest
06/10/2009 (34 weeks ago)
You cant generate energy from a magnetic force any more than you can generate energy from the force gravity. Sure they both exert force, but its a one way street. It takes as much energy to get away from a magnetic field as the work generated when a magnet pulls something....
A magnet motor would be like riding a bicycle downhill forever. Credible physicists don't believe this and neither do I. If it were possible someone would have done it a long time ago and we would not have the energy problems of today.
Myhigh
06/10/2009 (34 weeks ago)
The possibilities are endless! This revolution has just begun so it will take time, but once the greed is rested I believe a new day will emerge.







guest
06/08/2009 (35 weeks ago)
I recently believed in this but...

All alleged motors (spinning or not) have one thing in common and that is they produce virtually no excess torque. As soon as a load is placed the thing will halt. A motor that cannot work under a load is not practical.

Another thing is the energy isn't infinite nor free. So even if it were possible to create a spinning motor, placing magnets within the field of other magnets will gradually wear down the flux. I demagnetized a few of my fridge magnets in just a few hours of tinkering and it of course takes energy to get them re-magnetized. Rare-earth magnets are less susceptible but are still nonetheless.
guest
06/07/2009 (35 weeks ago)
alexvs,

The testimonials of energy savings based solely or at all by the motor plans are obviously fake. The plans are to replicate a motor featured on PESWiki that nobody has gotten to self-run let alone generate power.
alexvs
06/07/2009 (35 weeks ago)
I have read some comments of users at magniwork site. There are testimonials of several satisfied customs who say they have gotten significant reductions in their electricity bills. It reminds me of the use of certain devices which, connected to the grid create a reactive load. No one seems to use exclusively the magniwork device. Weird isn't it?

alexvs@manacoa.com
alexvs
06/07/2009 (35 weeks ago)
By the way, the site www.perendev-power.com is not more reachable. Fortunately I could convince a close friend of not buying the 100 Kw generator. To guest with a brain: "Do not go on. STVLTVM INFINITVS EST NVMERVS."
guest
06/06/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Of Course it is, there are already plans out for such a motor.
http://magniwork-review.blogspot.com
Jed Clampet
06/06/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Excellent, best of luck to you.

If you are using Matlab, look into the quaternion toolbox, might be of help.

Don't worry about whether or not you have the school training in anything. You've proven to yourself that you have an inquisitive mind that likes new challenges. Don't let the fear of the new slow you down. When you reach a blockage, move away for a few and engage yourself in some excercise or some other activity. The brain will keep working in the background and help you get the answers.

More power to you friend.

C-h-i... chi
l-e... le
chi chi chi
le le le... :)

Long live the first peoples
guest JE
06/06/2009 (35 weeks ago)
I think you're right Jed. Maxwell's works would be very helpful especially in flux analysis. In fact some of the ideas relevant to my research are in one way or another derived from Maxwell's electromagnetics. The great physicist has really inspired me since my student days in thermodynamics and basic electrical circuits, and it was the idea of Maxwell's "demon" that not only entertained but also motivated me to pursue "free energy" research. Unfortunately for me, however, my background in advanced mathematics might not be sufficient to deal with all the ramifications of Maxwell's equations. That's why I have to rely mostly on my intuition and the good old empirical methods. In some cases, I got a few very useful information under serendipitous(?) circumstances. Anyway, electomagnetics is not my forte (I leave that to the electrical engineers) and being a mechanical engineer by profession, my preference is the all permanent magnet system over the electromagnetic type. Maybe someday I will have the time to polish on my advanced math so I will have enough confidence to restudy and use Maxwell's methods for flux analysis. As for now, I'm still trying to complete the prototype for my own version of the permanent magnet machine (I prefer to use the term "permagnetic turbine") using my own hard-earned money and my oftentimes scarce free time. Successful or not, I enjoy working on it.
Thank you.
Jed Clampett
06/05/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Here's a little more ancient pseudo science for those of you 'foolish' enough to believe such 'crap'.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26303648/?pg=1#Tech_WeirdScience_AncientObservatories

Keep in mind that to align the temples as precisely as they did, they needed to understand that the Earth was a sphere. Not only that, also it's period around the sun and it's precession. But that is a miniscule part of what's been lost
guest with a brain
06/05/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Grey: Yes there has been a bit of trash talking and I am guilty. However, don't deny the utility of this unmoderated forum. It's actually very refreshing, because there is a almost always fatal flaw with moderated forums: The hosts block the annoying people AND the people that disagree with them and want to argue the points. I have seen it hundreds of times on YouTube. Also, once all the "friendlies" are together, then nobody has anything relevant to say about the "technology" being discussed. It descends into a meaningless gestures like "Great replication!" and "Cool!". At least here people can say what they want to say and the signal to noise ratio is decent.

Sometimes, ideas are legitimately subject to ridicule. That's it, it's a fact of life. If you say that you saw pink elephants floating over a bridge, that statement can be ridiculed with justification. Hence there is a temptation to ridicule "glazed eyed" claims within reason.

Without trash talking, recent ideas posted here that are candidates for ridicule:

- the jumping man gravity paradox
- extracting energy from eddy current effects
- anything related to Tom Bearden
- "channeling" to induce desired experimental results
- self-powering dynamo
- Magniwork "half house" "free energy" generator
- "flat Earth" straw man argument
- "I'm the real guy about to reveal an all-magnet motor real soon now"
- Wardencliff tower powers the world with no requirement for a hundred oil and coal power plants in the vicinity to provide the power for the tower to pump into the resonant cavity
- the Earth is in orbit around the sun because of some unexplained magnetic field reaction
- Mylow
- poll results showing 34 votes stating "I've personally built or seen one". Where is CNN?
Grey
06/05/2009 (35 weeks ago)
First, thanks to Sterling for all he does to keep his site going.

Second, I really think it's a shame the internet doesn't have an age or iq limit, so seriously interested folks could discuss a topic rationally and respectfully without all the abusive, hateful and nearly vulgar posts.

IMHO Mankind on average has a hard time with invisible forces. Oh, we have no problem living with them - just most men can't really explain them.

For instance, when a heavy set person on the floor above me jumps, gravity is strong enough to very quickly yank him right back down. The funny thing is, as I stand one floor below - directly below - I feel nothing - this force reaches right through me and grabs a 200 lb plus man firmly back down. Cool.

Magnetism definitely has potential, but the real question is can any man break out of normal paradigms and figure out how to make it work for him? Maybe Steorn will ship something this year, or maybe a real "mylow" is out there... what ever the case one thing is sure - if you won't let someone validate your claim then your likely a fake.

PS - if you haven't dropped a magnet through an aluminum pole give it a shot - seeing it slowly fall, much slower than normal objects would, is very cool. Unfortunately, no one has found a way to make energy doing it, but it's still cool.
Mr. D
06/05/2009 (35 weeks ago)

Thank you Pielut Ives. Great information, thanks for taking the time to post it.

I hope Sterling one day adds a forum to his site with real moderators. I’m sure others like Pielut Ives have information they would like to share. I myself won’t waste my time posting research on a non-moderated forum.

I hope Sterling gives it some thought. To name just a few:
http://forum.snitz.com/
http://www.yabbforum.com/

I know about the yahoo/group forums. A little old school for my taste.
guest pielut ives
06/05/2009 (35 weeks ago)
I did experimental empirical PMM research 1985 - 1990.
Did not get one to work, even following the H. Johnson patents. However learned much magnetic phenomena not in
text books. A particular magnetic circuit that doesn't have application to PMMs, but generators ONLY. It attenuates the Lenz magnetic/mechanical reaction completely. Have made 5 test rigs that demonstrate the
theory is valid and don't really care whether anyone else
believes it or not (yet). The 'fly-in-the-ointment' is
reducing it to practicality. Am working on that.
BUT: Abstraction of the theory is not new. If you seriously want to know about it, refer to Dr. Thomas Bearden's 1987, 2cd. ed., "Excalibur Briefing" in the Introduction, third sentence. THAT, is the key in a nut
shell. He concluded that a motor could result from the
theory application. My research revealed right the opposite. It can be applied as a generator ONLY.
A more detailed explanation can be found at www.kryon.com
click: 'non-animations'; click: 'The Kryon Channelling Pages (all the channellings)'; scroll down to: 'The Cosmic Lattice, Part II, N.H. 1998. You can read all if you want, but for the core, scroll down to the 38th para.
for intro tech., or on down to para. 44 for the kernal. I don't have much confidence in so-called 'Channelling'
per se, but a German E.E. alerted me to this thru Pat
Kelly's site about this Lee Carroll, Audio E.E.'s, channelling. Believe it or not, it is for-real - tho very abstract. I discovered it independently before before I ever heard of either man. Judge for your own self.
If I had not discovered it before I read these disertations, I would have believed it was all B.S.
B.S., it is NOT! I may be the only one who really knows.

guest
06/05/2009 (35 weeks ago)
I'm working on a magnet motor of my own design as sort of a personal validation attempt. I won't disclose any info until I begin building a model and have successful rotation, which I realize may never happen. Nevertheless, we'll see what happens as my design is different than the (mostly fake) motors on Peswiki.
guest
06/05/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Jed, I think you have squirrel guts for brains.
Jed Clampett
06/05/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Perhaps you don't understand why we are being denied these inventions and discoveries. It's the same reason we are constantly brought to war and destruction of cultures and acquired knowledge. The reason the trees have been decimated without regard for the purpose they had, absorbing infrared radiation. The same reason our religions are turned against us and our governors become tyrannical oppressors.

In case you weren't able to figure out the last Tesla patent, a patent given for a working device, it is a dynamo that works constantly after an initial input(cranking up the disks). It works by keeping the path of current working against itself in only one direction, never establishing a balance and always feeding itself. The more load you put on it, the more it provides.
guest
06/04/2009 (35 weeks ago)
If it was at all possible why would anybody commit fraud, and yet all and every case has been fraud.

guest
06/04/2009 (35 weeks ago)
"Reidar Finsrud I give the advantage of doubt. It is real, visibe, analysed, but not replicated yet. See Youtube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9GucVwc36Q&feature=channel_page
And say: yes an all magnet motor exists."

Ha, Finsrud just has a fishing line that is harder to see.
You people are hard of learning.
guest
06/04/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Thanks for the info Sterling
Magniwork is a bold-faced lie
06/04/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Look at what their web site says:

>>> Thanks to the simplicity of the concept behind the Magniwork system, the generator is very inexpensive and simple to build. When I tested the system before writing this article, my wife and I each constructed a "half house generator". Each generator was capable of providing 100% of the power for more than half of our home. We both had no problems following the construction process and each of the generators cost less than $100 to build, including all the needed supplies. The Magniwork Company provides quick and reliable support, 24/7 should you hit any snags or feel the need to verify information contained in the thorough guide.

There is no generator as Sterling says, just some energy-saving tips.

There is no "half house generator" "capable of providing 100% of the power for more than half of our home."

It is all nothing but a bold-faced lie and the recent "pro Magniwork" postings here are nothing but shill postings from the individual or individuals trying to make money selling you a pamphlet.
Sterling Allan on Magniwork
06/04/2009 (35 weeks ago)
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Magniwork

Magniwork puts for a set of plans for a free energy device they claim could be scaled to power an entire house. However, it turns out that the first device they called for in their plans prior to June 2, 2009 is nothing more than the Bedini SG circuit, featured here at PESWiki and first replicated (according to those plans) by myself and later advanced by Rick Friedrich. While interesting science, which some researchers claim to have achieved some measure of overunity; to our knowledge, it has never been embodied in a self-looped system with energy left over for practical use.

Most of the 50+ page manual contains energy conservation tips that are based on well-established principles, so the "guarantee" of electricity savings upon following the booklet's tips is safe, but not ethically accurate, inasmuch as the expectation is that the "free energy" device is the reason for the savings on the electrical bill to the utility company.

The video they feature in the opening of their site is of Lutec's technology, who tends to evade credible validation attempts.

On June 2, we received an email from the Magniwork webmaster saying "Igor seemed to have messed up this one. I had a chat with him, and we decided we're going to remove any Bedini plans diagrams or instructions. I didn't know that Igor had put copyrighted material in the ebook. If I knew that, I would've never published the product. Igor is going to put the plans for another working free energy machine instead. I don't know exactly which one, you can e-mail him ... if you want to know more about it."

Then later on June 2, we received an email from Igor saying, in part:

"I sent Mr.Bedini email earlier explaining and apologizing myself about my mistake placing the Bedini device as being able to output a power of such proportions. The Bedini motor is currently completely removed from the Magniwork guide."

He said the new Magniwork guide would feature the work of Hans Coler (not yet embodied into a practical, working device), along with some more conventional DIY info for solar panels, wind turbines, solar water heating. He expects that this update will take a month or two to fully complete, but that they will update the manual as subsections are completed.

In my opinion, the manual is not presently worth what they are asking for it. -- Sterling
Anand Aadhar
06/04/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Reidar Finsrud I give the advantage of doubt. It is real, visibe, analysed, but not replicated yet. See Youtube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9GucVwc36Q&feature=channel_page
And say: yes an all magnet motor exists.
guest
06/04/2009 (35 weeks ago)
What is this Magniwork system?
Is it a scam or the real thing?
Because if it is the real thing, how were they not shutdown? (as it is the norm with these type of invention)
guest
06/04/2009 (35 weeks ago)
i dont get you type of people, why are you all making diffirent assumpions of what you think you understand. havent you all learnt from the past. and to think that you all sound like your all educated people one would think you people can think deeper and harder and not just slap each others faces with diffirent laws and equations from scientists who are long dead. they are the past we are the future and if one says its possible then who knows. who knows what the hell this life is all about, who really knows what those stars we stare and scientists studies really are, who knows what the real energy really is, none of you pity human beings been there or made it. they may all just be in our heads experimented by a more superior beings just like scientist now experiment on animals and poor animals dont know shit about it, all these animal knows are the food they calculated that is not going to kill them. who the hell bloody knows. but if theres one out there who can imagine of things youve never imagine for the good of you and me and for your kids and should i say for the rest of human beings survival time, then dont be acting like this generations mind is the last of what the future can be. it almost sounds like you people are envy that it wasnt you who thought of this idea and that if its not you no one can and stop anyone who will.
once i put all the parts together for this motor, im going to slap this in everyones faces who didnt believe in it and you can all go hang yourselves because you type of people have nothing to offer in this generation and the one after this one and even in all the generations that has passed.
im sorry im sick of hearing people who has nothing to offer except there education which was forced by there parents when they were young.
guest
06/04/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Sure. I use the Magniwork System to provide a small amount of electric to my home, and it is basically magnetic with no power. http://magniwork-review.blogspot.com
guest
06/04/2009 (35 weeks ago)
No Jed, I am just here to remind you that outside of the peswiki world the vast majority of people think that the verbage that you spout is total nonsense. With apparently almost no scientific knowledge, the only thing that you have is the grab-bag of catch phrases that I have read hundreds of times before. I suppose that you thought that the Mylow motor was real, and it may still all be an MIB conspiracy.

Every now and then, you should be reminded that what you are saying is absolute crap.
Jed Clampett
06/04/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Anyways, now that we know the tortured soul's purpose we can ignore him, he's merely looking for the attention he didn't get from his parents as a child. That's what you might get when you separate mother from child at an early age and drop them off at 'daycare'. Oh well, perhaps we can save them later, but I have a feeling the only way he'll get out of his self imposed cage is by recognizing it on his own... hopefully before it's too late.

IQ man, good luck with the new magnets, one suggestion, as soon as possible, wrap them in some rather thick plastic to protect them when your are playing with them, they tend to slam into each other pretty hard when they get away from you, if their covered perhaps they won't break.

Doc, thanks for the info. Had read some of Mr Einstein's work, though I must say I have a hard time following some of the physics, then again, it's a constant learning process for some of us. Also interesting reading his 'The Investigation of Aether in Magnetic fields' still parsing it but it looks interesting thus far, not bad for a 17 yo, guess you can accomplish a lot without a boob tube. I guess the key would be to understand 'dark matter', or 'the aether' or whatever one wants to call it. Walter Russell was of the idea that it's the interaction of the electromagnetic phenomena that permeates everything with itself. 64 octaves of electromagnetic spectrum, we can see 1 octave, hear about half of another, sense infrared with the skin as well as very low frequencies, smell a small portion, hum!?! I wonder what else we are capable of perceiving directly without even realizing it. Since he was working at Westinghouse labs and was able to convert one gas into another by merely subjecting it to various opposing frequency signals, I think he's worth looking further into. Heterodyning by interacting electromagnetic frequencies in space perhaps?

I tend to like what Tesla had to say about the General Theory of Relativity and the 'fudge factor'. The guy was amazing, you have to have deep respect for a man that was so far ahead of his time with radio, robotic submarines, the first logic AND gate, the investigations of high frequency phenomena, x-rays, illumination systems and let's not forget his discovery of the rotating magnetic field within AC motors and the AC power distribution system. Not bad for before 1900, huh? Just the fact that he wasn't even barely mentioned in years of schoolin' and seldom in reviewed lectures, smacks of cover up to me. Deserves further investigation in that case, what was it they didn't want us to have?
The patent he got for wireless communication and power transmission through the natural medium as he used at Wardencliff would not have been given without a working presentation, so don't be fooled by detractors that have never bothered to study the man. Check out his patent for 'coil for electromagnets' you might figure out how he was able to create a standing wave in his coils.
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=512340

Getting this one to work is the holy grail, 'apparatus for the utilization of radiant energy', imagine the exciter to be concentrated solar energy.

http://www.google.com/patents?id=YitoAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=0_1

And if you want to digest a little more, check out this beauty...

http://www.google.com/patents?id=MvdbAAAA EBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=406968&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=0_1

Tell me if you can figure out what it does.

Magnet man, thanks for the input, please, do share might help open up some more insight.

Good luck all. Work for Earth and she will help, profit will be a byproduct just don't be greedy, if Tesla could give up his 1% stake in the patent for AC distribution system to give to the world, the we should strive to understand his knowledge.

BTW, why investigate an oscillating system as a steady state? If Magnetic interaction is always in a state of flux, particularly in a rotating system, then we should follow Maxwell and look at it as an oscillating system.
guest with a brain
06/03/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Jed and Company:

Watch this clip please: www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI

Duh!

>>> So gravity, the weakest of forces, is what actually maintains an orbit around the sun? What exactly are they in free fall to? If frame dragging indicates that there is some sort of friction, what is that friction against? So frictionless is the key, and the electromagnetic interaction has no effect in the system? Does that mean that space is a total vacuum devoid of even Hydrogen gas that could cause drag?

They are in free-fall towards the sun. Why pose such a silly question? I have no idea what you mean by "frame dragging" and will assume that it is part of your pseudoscience lexicon. We all know that space is not a total vacuum, and so you are implying that I am wrong or missing something there? Could that just be a fake loaded question on your part? Don't you really know the answer to that question?

>>> If gravity is a force, and for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, what is the reaction to the force of gravity, and why is it ignored?

Another cosmologically crazy question on your part. Is that a fake question again or are you just revealing how clueless you really are?

Beyond that for "Texas Tea" Jed: You work so hard to blend the trash talk and still sound "fatherly"! It's an attempt to make yourself look like you are taking the high ground while playing in the gutter at the same time. What the hell?

>>>I must say I see an IQ gap between you and "Guest with a brain" and you're on the right side of this gap

I think this guy has a "free energy" "Bizarro Universe" thinking cap on. Your perception is in quadrature phase and is in resonance with inverse longitudinal brain waves, 6 is 9 to you, take the cap off while you can! lol
bob smith
06/03/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Im not sure what is and what is not possible as far as free energy devices. What I do know is that we dont know enough about the universe to make assumptions. There is just so much we still have to learn and too much we probably think we know that we really dont.
PKM
06/03/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Strongly agree that it is possible. These fields are just idle waiting for someone to twick and get them moving things.
guest
06/03/2009 (35 weeks ago)
He, whose knowledge about permanent magnet interactions is limited by the conventional references, will most likely consider the idea of a permanent magnet motor as sheer "nonsense". The law of polarity says that unlike poles attract and like poles repel? True enough but a simplistic interpretation would limit one's options in looking for ways to avoid the magnetic lock without electrical intervention. A handful of inventors apparently have found out that, with the proper application of motion constraints and correct magnet orientation, unlike poles can be made to virtually repel or like poles can be made to approach without magnetic resistance. I have done these experiments almost a hundred times with the same results and using no electricity. Permanent magnet behavior cannot simply be compared to that of gravity or a stressed spring. I'll have more of this sharing later.
The Doc
06/03/2009 (35 weeks ago)
After publishing his General Theory of Relativity in 1915, Einstein explored the consequences of his gravitational field equation.

G = 8πT

In a paper titled 'Kosmologische Betrachtungen zur allgemeinen Relativitatsctheorie' (Cosmological Considerations on the General Theory of Relativity) published in 1917, Einstein found that to model a steady state universe, which was the then favoured model, he had to bastardise his field equation into the parameterised form: -

G(μν) - λg(μν) = -κ(T(μν) - ½g(μν)T)

Where the constant(?) 'λ' is the cosmological constant or a 'fudge factor' that Einstein introduced to make his field equation work for a steady state universe. When Edwin Hubble discovered, in 1925, that the universe was expanding, Einstein commented that this constant was the greatest blunder of his life. It seems that Einstein ignored the implications, implicit, within his field equation that the universe is expanding!

However, a modern interpretation of this constant is that it represents a repulsive aspect to the gravitational force. The repulse force could be viewed as anti-gravity!

Wikipedia, the free encyclopaedia comments, 'In 1998, observations of type Ia supernovae ("one-A") by the Supernova Cosmology Project at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and the High-z Supernova Search Team suggested that the expansion of the universe is accelerating'. this acceleration is attributed to the presence of 'dark energy'. However, Wikipedia, the free encyclopaedia further comments, 'The simplest explanation for dark energy is that it is simply the "cost of having space": that is, a volume of space has some intrinsic, fundamental energy. This is the cosmological constant, sometimes called Lambda (hence Lambda-CDM model) after the Greek letter λ, the symbol used to mathematically represent this quantity. Since energy and mass are related by E = mc², Einstein's theory of general relativity predicts that it will have a gravitational effect. It is sometimes called a vacuum energy because it is the energy density of empty vacuum.....The cosmological constant has negative pressure equal to its energy density and so causes the expansion of the universe to accelerate.'

I hope this is of some help!
guest
06/03/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Jed Clampett
I must say I see an IQ gap between you and "Guest with a brain"
and you're on the right side of this gap

By the way I have nice magnets coming in the mail
I'll try the shielding method.
guest
06/03/2009 (35 weeks ago)
guest with a brain your a classic example of those people who knows it all. you talk sound and have confidence like one, you go with what you learn and understood it clearly and nothing else outside that exist. you can even become the person who can teach the people the knowledge you carry because you really knows it so good and really beleives in it that you yourself was able to create your own little theory from the things you learnt.you must have been a very good student back in the time that the knowledge you carry now you carry with pride because its hard work. but heres the thing, a person like you which by the way there is a group and type of people like you, really are nothing in every generation because your group of people just carries information and pass it on to the other. nothing special about that, most people can do that provided the information was passed on properly. the real heros in every generation are the ones who put endless effort, time and heart to what they think is possible. some of these people maybe going in the wrong in the direction but you got to applaud them for their passion because one of these guys in these group, once in a while will actually hit the right direction and break the law just to make your life better and had the guts doing it that you wasnt even born with. and by the way the laws and knowledge that you are following are made by those people who had passion and guts and broke the previous laws and equations and now we have a new one, it doesnt mean it cant be broken again.
thank you
a_olaer@yahoo.com.au
Jed Clampett
06/03/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Well, you prove that you can regurgitate ideology that's been provided to you and be pompous at the same time. I guess there's truly no accounting for what passes for civility these days. So be it I guess, perhaps things will change in a less chaotic future, maybe when the quantity of humanity is reduced to a state where quality can increased, since we don't seem to be interested in raising the quality of humanity.

So gravity, the weakest of forces, is what actually maintains an orbit around the sun? What exactly are they in free fall to? If frame dragging indicates that there is some sort of friction, what is that friction against? So frictionless is the key, and the electromagnetic interaction has no effect in the system? Does that mean that space is a total vacuum devoid of even Hydrogen gas that could cause drag? If gravity is a force, and for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, what is the reaction to the force of gravity, and why is it ignored?

Once upon a time, it was pseudo science to think the Earth was round and not the center of the universe. Mayans and Egyptians were steeped in this pseudo science. I guess looking at the moon and seeing it as a sphere was an indication to them. It's been also considered pseudo science that a black hole could exist at the center of galaxies. I guess it's those who think beyond what is presented and follow it to the ideas natural conclusion that turn pseudo science into mainstream accepted knowledge.
You go ahead and hold on tight like a sieve to what you've been told, it will serve you well in this society, but if you want to move beyond whats accepted as mainstream you will look for new ideas and concepts that help eliminate the holes in established theory.
But please, if you are happy in your ideology, don't relish in the arrogance of thinking that attempting to quash other people's ideas is a civilized way of interacting with others. It makes you look arrogant, selfish and weak in that you have a steel trap mind that refuses to let anything in or allow others to pursue their natural desire to explore new concepts and ideas.
selfishness is not a virtue.
guest with a brain
06/03/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Jed you said:

>>> There IS a model for an all magnet motor... the atom, the solar system, the Milky Way. These are all electromagnetic motors working on some unknown power source that keeps it spinning.
Is the interaction of the solar system with the electromagnetic field of the Milky Way that powers it? Perhaps it's movement through this field? Could the interaction with the solar system be what creates energy in Earth which she converts into life? Perhaps it's the motion through the solar electromagnetic field?

There is nothing powering the planets moving around the solar system. The planets are all in free-fall due to gravity and there is essentially no resistance to their movement. The entire solar system has a rotational momentum just like a spinning top in a frictionless environment. Since there is no energy being drained because there is no friction, the solar system will spin "forever". The solar system has angular momentum due to the rotations of the sun and the orbits of the planets. You can say that each planet is in an "energy state" that is dependent on how "high" it has been "launched" from the surface of the sun, just like the height of a satellite orbiting the earth or an electron orbiting in its shell. So much for your pseudoscience explanation imagining that something is "powering" the solar system.
quest
06/03/2009 (35 weeks ago)
thousands and thousands of claims. yield = zero. time to come up with a different type of scam...
Jed Clampett
06/02/2009 (35 weeks ago)
There IS a model for an all magnet motor... the atom, the solar system, the Milky Way. These are all electromagnetic motors working on some unknown power source that keeps it spinning.
Is the interaction of the solar system with the electromagnetic field of the Milky Way that powers it? Perhaps it's movement through this field? Could the interaction with the solar system be what creates energy in Earth which she converts into life? Perhaps it's the motion through the solar electromagnetic field?
What does the atom interact with? All three of these? Is that why the atoms electron spins around anywhere instead of a particular plane? At what point does it stop spinning about it's nucleus? what keeps it going indefinitely? Perhaps these are keys that must be figured out to achieve success.
Jed Clampett
06/02/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Wow brain... or is it pinkie? I'm impressed, all the detail and insight in your response is overwhelming in it's vastness of knowledge and desire to edify and help a cause rather than merely denigrate that which you don't understand. Lots of little gimps like you working against progress and humanity in general... I wonder why? what could the intent be?
At least you sent me to the MIT channel, which seems interesting. Well, I'll leave you to figure out and explain (yea right) satisfactorily what I postulate... or maybe someone else that wants to get involved. I gotta go now, I need to go return my BS degrees in robotics and electronics, the brain tells me they are worthless, I have to agree since mainstream science is woefully inadequate.
guest
06/02/2009 (35 weeks ago)
to magniwork fan, if your refering to my design of the magnet motor, im in australia. if you are not from australia and you are really a person who is very interested of my plan it would be great if you do see me. although the simplesity of this design may not be worth coming but the plan and result of its equation maybe surprising and can change everything we know.
a_olaer@yahoo.com.au
guest
06/02/2009 (35 weeks ago)
I think the people that are skilled and creative enough in engineering to build a successful free energy device, especially magnetically based devices, are also intelligent enough to realize the staggering implications to the economy and what kind of power would be against any kind of such device reaching the market. Imagine oil, coal, gas, solar, wind power, and nuclear power all becoming obsolete in an instant. Also imagine that once a quality magnetic machine is manufactured- how long could they last? Possibly for decades. What about social stability? People could live comfortably anywhere, no need to be in the grid. How many people would flock into the wilderness and not participate in the work world as much? Uncle Sam wouldn't like that. I can see very easily why no one has come forward- they do not want to be harassed or risk being killed. That's probably why its hard to verify a true working free energy device.
guest
06/02/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Magniwork Fan
06/02/2009 (1 hour ago)
I bought Magniwork because of this site, and it seems possible already. I built the system on a small scale with positive results http://magniwork-review.blogspot.com

Hello Fan
Can you provide a location so we can see this miracle of science? Finding verification seems to be an on going problem.
guest
06/02/2009 (35 weeks ago)
to everyone who said it doesnt work. in the future you guys will be in the category together with the person who said earth is in the center of the solar system and with all the scientist who thought they had all the qualification and knowledge and said i knew it all and was totally wrong at the end. you type of people are the ones who slows everything down, if we say we can fly let us fly. science just explains the things we see but theres a whole bigger world beyond that and thats what makes us keep going forward and one day we human beings will finally will find out the reason why we are here in this planet but as for now we are here.
a_olaer@yahoo.com.au
guest
06/02/2009 (35 weeks ago)
i left a comment 10 hours ago about magnet motor. please someone really has to help me with this plan. this has no wiring, coil or whatever it is you learn from science at school about motion that cant be done in anyway. i simply created a design which trick the magnet itself to make it spin. infact it can spin so hard and so fast that i dont know what part to use for it so it doesnt break and where to get it, this is where im needing help for. please anyone with an open mind help me with this plan, it so simple that it cant be wrong. there are no wiring or what soever its simply a design that tricks the magnet.
my e-mail add is a_olaer@yahoo.com.au
guest
06/02/2009 (35 weeks ago)
There are none and there never will be. Too bad.
Magniwork Fan
06/02/2009 (35 weeks ago)
I bought Magniwork because of this site, and it seems possible already. I built the system on a small scale with positive results http://magniwork-review.blogspot.com
guest with a brain
06/02/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Jed Clampett said: I need oil, Texas tea.

Actually he said this:

>>> if the sun is so hot and light and heat are generated there, how is the heat and light transmitted through the vacuum of space to the Earth, given that both need a medium to propagate? Why isn't it hotter at higher altitudes and cooler at the surface?

The questions that people pose can be very revealing bout their knowledge background. I suggest that you look at the YouTube MIT Science and Engineering clip. There is one on electricity and magnetism. Plus I sense a follow-up ambush question, "But can science explain what an electron REALLY is?"

Your questions clearly indicate that you know next to nothing about science. Your question about the altitudes is shocking in its ignorance. Like I said in my first posting, educate yourselves, all of you. You are the one that is shockingly narrow minded.

Your posting about the good old tower is a regurgitation of pseudoscience concepts, which is exactly what I said that you would do yesterday. Plus it is all nonsense, and you really have no idea what you are talking about.

There is no such thing as an all-magnet motor, anywhere in the universe.
guest
06/02/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Chinese proverb: A person who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the man doing it
guest
06/02/2009 (35 weeks ago)
It is possible. There is much energy in magnet. You stupid humans have not learned how to put them to work. Except on your cold food storage device.
Stop the magnet nonsense!!!
06/02/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Yes it's true, magnets can repel...and even attract...
But only after you have moved them towards or away from each other.
It is similar to the effect of gravity.
You need to take something up before you can drop it down.
Allan Sterling believes there is a magnetic reservoir....
There is no such thing, Magnetism is a secondary effect.
You cannot tap energy out of a secondary effect without the primary effect that caused it to happen.
It's as simple as that.
There will never be power from magnets.
Just because they are used in generators does not mean the power comes from the magnets, it comes from the kinetic motion that is being converted!
When magnetism reaches C, the energy is radiated away in the form of radio waves, so it can't go beyond C , but the E field can and that's where the real things happen.

ZANE
06/02/2009 (35 weeks ago)
QUITE POSSIBLE..
Mr. D
06/02/2009 (35 weeks ago)
I have been attempting an all magnet motor part-time for about 8-9 years. It’s fun and interesting but I do find myself stepping back from it at times and seeing the reality of the attempt. Let’s do the numbers, with nearly 7 billion people now on this planet one could easily imagine over 10,000 people right now working on such a device (I personally think that number is much higher). Now imagine what that total number must be of people for say the last 10-20 years.

I have to question seeing currently 25 people in this poll that have claimed to have seen or built such a device. Why? Because it would simply be impossible to keep so many devices a secret. Let’s face the facts, all we have to this point in time is read countless claims that end up being faked or have no third party validation. Is the MIB, NSA, etc organization so large that they could cover up every single working device? I hardly think so. All it would take is for only one of those plans of a working device to be photocopied and passed out and it would be all over, turn out the lights. Kids would be building them in science class. With sooooo many claims we have currently zero truly validated motors. I wish Mr. Wang out of China luck with his motor. But let’s remember here we are talking about a claim out of China, we may as well be talking about claims of UFO sightings over Moscow in Russia.

As I said, it’s fun and interesting but you have to step back to reality at times. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have a new idea for a motor I’m working on.

Oh, I selected maybe.
Jed Clampett
06/02/2009 (35 weeks ago)
Excellent, someone brings up JC Maxwell. Maxwell worked out 20 equations in his theories, many of them written in quaternion notation which is necessary to describe a unit in 3 dimensions. Since very few people then and now understand or even try to understand quaternion notation they had to reduce them to something more manageable. The 4 equations that were left refer to a balanced system, and only explain the interaction in 2 dimensions, a great loss indeed, since the energy that can be parasited from a system is due to a created imbalance that nature tries to compensate. Tesla understood this and created this very condition on his wireless communication tower at Wardenclif. The key is tuning of the resonant system. The bottom coil and top coil resonate at harmonics of each other, and the capacitance at top, the 36" ball covered with copper, provided the stored energy that Earth tries to balance out. An interesting observation of his... when he sent a pulse into the Earth and calculated it's speed, he discovered it was around C^2.
It is rather interesting that Lorentz was awarded the Nobel Prize for his work on proving what Maxwell had already postulated with mathematical analysis, even more amazing is that he did so without fully understanding the math involved. But even back then in the early 19th century they were working on converting the power in light into human exploitable energy. Too bad the oil companies were allowed to monopolize hydrocarbons and use the money to buy off government and further monopolize energy, cutting out even the creativity of Tesla.
guest
06/02/2009 (35 weeks ago)
When you analyze the device via fluidics, then an all magnet motor can work. In a fluid system, ie no polarizing lattice structures in the man system..unless their sheer is used for gating..then the system will work. What you a re doing then, is you are using the 'molecule to molecule' in this case, within the energetic mass of the field itself in the exact way a vortex can be used. this is used as the advancing wave of constantly changing vector/energy level from one particle to the next. It happens at sublight speed, b ut this happens with the biggest particle to particle change in the fluid energetic field. This is why Reich's and shauberger's, Tesla's, and Searl's devices and work. They all depend upon the 'particle to particle' change in the fluid field. The opposite of this is the inductive field of a coil. If the fluid inductive field was not limited by the 'sub-light' speed interactive of the particle field (magnetic) and the combination of that with the lattice structure of the coil itself (the coil is the problem!) inductive behaviour simply would not exist in this dimension. This is the secret, for example, behind the Indian mercury torus and the weird and inconsistent results that Hutchison kept getting. If you analyze Hutchison's work then you can see that the anti gravitic and the energetic effects bring more to the table than you bargain for.
guest
06/02/2009 (36 weeks ago)
im sorry but i didnt read any of these comments but i have been looking for this particular group about magnetic motor. ive been searching for the right people to talk to about this subject. i think i just created and calculated a magnetic type of motor that can spin freely without any source of power. the design is very simple which made me think that maybe it wont work because its so simple that someone sould have thought about this and that the reason why it hasnt come out yet because it doesnt work but everytime i go through the design and calculate its presice movement it has to work. i dont know what to do with this plan at this point because i need help putting it together and i dont know the right tools to use and it need some customise and some very strong parts to make sure it doesnt beak apart as it spins.
if there is anyone who can help me my add is a_olaer@yahoo.com.au if my add doesnt work its without au at the end of the e-mail add.
Eric Krieg
06/02/2009 (36 weeks ago)
no - Maxwell's equations do a fine job of explaining all known interactions with the electromagnetic forces in relation to time, energy, area, movement, conductance, current flow, field strength etc. Those equations offer no free lunch. Were it possible, the hundreds of tinkerers tilting at this windmill their whole lives - one would have done it and not been enough of a psycho to keep it quiet. All we have as proof otherwise are urban legends that all fall back on some sinister international multi-generational conspiracy to silence what would be the world's greatest advancement.
www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html
People saying they have it have fallen under the catagories of kook or crook.
Michael Cote'
06/02/2009 (36 weeks ago)
I believe it's possible.
Jed Clampett
06/02/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Alright genius with a brain, riddle me this... if the sun is so hot and light and heat are generated there, how is the heat and light transmitted through the vacuum of space to the Earth, given that both need a medium to propagate? Why isn't it hotter at higher altitudes and cooler at the surface?
Jed Clampett
06/02/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Excellent, you reacted just as I would have expected. Seems nothing comes from you but detractions and denigrating others as unworthy of your lofty expectations. Are you being paid by the oil companies, hold lots of stock, or simply strike out from your box at anything not in line with your dogma? must get lonely with your brain in a box... oh wait, lots others in there with you. Oh well, at least you'll make good slurpings, see you on HULU.
Same guy as below
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
ATM working on my own, a blender of ideas i've gained through the greatness that is you tube.

got a machinist working on the main piece, still waiting for a call back from them

Even if im not sure it will work, i'm tired of this insomnia about thinking of how it might work
bored at work
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
I don't know whether i believe in the all magnetic motor or not. The fact does stand that Howard Johnson was granted a patent. As for Mylow's device, whether it worked or not, I'm all up for a perpetual motion device, but in my theory a magnetic based motor would have to continually increase in rpms until it basically shatters. If i have a device that spins forever, but when i try to pull energy from it ,it stops, the device is just as useful to me as a non perpetual motion device.

I do always enjoy that every time something promising appears, the inventor passes away to something stupid like food poisoning, or that everyone flames the guy and they go off and destroy the device (never to be replicated again).

Eh, like my name i'm bored at work. If it can't be replicated thats one strike against you.
guest with a brain
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Old Jed Clampett, I'm going to comment on your prose...

> My posting was for those who are tinkering and trying to figure out something to do for themselves, not for those wanting to have something handed to them for free. When you have a thousand viable and reproducible ideas they can't be monopolized.

Let me translate that. Your idea for the wind turbine-tornado thing was pure nonsense that you cannot back up at all. Throw 20 "free energy" catch phrases into a blender and then line them up into grammatically correct English prose and it sounds like it has "free energy street cred" but in fact it is completely nonsensical bullshit with no merit whatsoever.

> Just for grins, we give great importance to gravity, but ignore levity completely. Levity is the counterpart to gravity and the reason a tree grows upward instead of being an amorphous blob at ground level. This is the level of ignorance in our scientific dogma.

Jed, you need a deluxe tinfoil hat with the "free bonus" antenna to focus the radio spectrum at your fillings so that you can tune in radio stations. That is so stupid and ridiculous that the readers are wondering if your brain is an amorphous blob filled to overflowing with ignorance.

> The reason a bumblee and other insects can fly is because they create vortices with their wings that causes a suction reaction that allows them the ability to levitate, they merely have to input a small amount of energy to create the vortex.

I am willing to bet you that bumblebee flight is one of the most inefficient forms of flight in nature. In fact they most likely have to put out a massive amount of energy to remain in flight. I am pretty sure that you have absolutely no clue how much energy the bumblebee has to put out to remain in flight yet you attempt to make a definitive statement saying "they merely have to input a small amount of energy to create the vortex." That shows that in a state of near blind ignorance about bumblebee flight, you are prepared to make a "grand statement" that is almost certainly totally incorrect.

Indeed, you fit the profile of a blind "believer" and you are trying out the gift of the "free energy" gab. The waters seem pretty fine, don't they? Very few people are challenging your ridiculous statements. Can you smell the money already? Put yourself in a friendly forum and pitch your completed gizmo to the "believers" and some of them are going to hit that PayPal button!!
guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Yeah, PhD stands for "Permanent Head Damage" that why I've spent over 10 years and thousands of dollars doing experiments in quantum energy "craziness". The only reason I'm wasting my time posting here is that I was disappointed with the Mylow fiasco and to let people know there are others who work in this area that are educated professionals that have made progress. I check this important web site on a regular basis to see if anybody or any government has the nerve to go public with this information, like Mylow.
guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
So , you have a bs and a doctorate. Well along with the rest of your post it is all bs.
guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Just FYI for the non-believers. I happen to be one of the crack-pot believers that also has a bachelor of science and doctorate. I also have over 1000 sq feet of garage/laboratory where I perform experiments in quantum physics and I am not trying to sell anything- I finance myself. I have performed dozens of energy experiments related to "free energy" and have determined magnetic energy machines are possible/real. I am building two versions presently with about 10 different alternate designs that I think will work based on my experiments. Try this experiment yourself- align magnets like a set of dominos set to fall in a 5ft circle held in place like a see-saw almost touching N-S-N-S to form a continous looped field. Connect one magnet to a small electrical motor w battery with a one way locking mechanism (like a Ten speed bike mechanism). In the middle of each magnet put a coil of wire connected to the battery. Pulse the motor quickly as to turn the connected magnet 180 degrees and automatically lock in place with the unidirectional mechanism (this is the only energy necessary to start the machine). The other magnets in the circle will follow each generating a small current as they flip. The dozens of flips in a 5ft circle recharges the battery for the next pulse. This machine works without stopping. It will not work if the magnets are in a straight line only connected in a circle, the circle can go around the earth if wanted as long as all the fields are connected in a loop. Its better to put the magnet ends side to side like a slight zig-zag almost overlapping. Make sure the magnets and coils are strong/large enough to generate enough current to recharge the battery. There are much better designs than the above to prove that "free energy" machines exists, but some people don't have time to display their work.



Jed clampett
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
My posting was for those who are tinkering and trying to figure out something to do for themselves, not for those wanting to have something handed to them for free. When you have a thousand viable and reproducible ideas they can't be monopolized. This may happen later when mine is finished and have no other recourse than to give it away. First it must be fully developed and unstoppable.

Just for grins, we give great importance to gravity, but ignore levity completely. Levity is the counterpart to gravity and the reason a tree grows upward instead of being an amorphous blob at ground level. This is the level of ignorance in our scientific dogma.

The reason a bumblee and other insects can fly is because they create vortices with their wings that causes a suction reaction that allows them the ability to levitate, they merely have to input a small amount of energy to create the vortex.

Thanks for the link to the UK free energy site, interesting ideas.
guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
yes it is sad that someone needs to mention the fact that he has a brain.
time for a change
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Here we go, a guest with a brain
if you have to mention it it must be because we can't see it
Very narrow mind(brain)
guest with a brain
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
In reading the more recent comments it is so obvious why there is a "free energy" cottage industry pumping out DVDs and books and holding seminars in small hotel complexes.

Every "believer" is a mark that may spend some of his or her hard-earned money in pursuit of free energy fantasies.

A good scandal like the Mylow fiasco just generates more buzz and generates cyber and real chatter, attracting more potential marks into the money pool.

There are some that are positively possessed with the "curse" and believe that the Mylow and Perendev motors are real.
guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Just because a magnetic motor requires electrical input does not mean it cannot be a "free energy" or "overunity" device. Energy created by machine itself can be fed back into the machine to provide an additional electromagnetic field at critical times- sort of like timing of spark plugs in a car. All of the energy source is from permanent magnet motion.



guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
There are magnet motors that require power input. These are not free energy machines. And secrecy order, Title 35, U.S. Code (1952) Sections 181-188 which includes magnet motors does not mean that they are free energy.
There are non there never has been any and there never will be. You want to help the earth find more efficient ways to use what we do have.
time for a change
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
If such devices impossible why do we have documents such as the secrecy order, Title 35, U.S. Code (1952) Sections 181-188 which includes magnet motors(free energy)?
the1redeye
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Those who say something can't be done - should stop bothering those who are doing it!
guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
This is a great question to be polled, now over 400 votes after only 1 day, excellent.

For those unaware a great source of current info is at http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/index.html. It is put together by Patrick J. Kelly (Thank you Patrick) check out Chapter 1 Magnet Power
guest,canadian
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Guest,dutch
We would like to know how you did it. It annoys everybody when someone like you has such a statement but won't tell us how it was done. Most of the time it's greed, they want to make money. Hope it's not your case. If it is all true please tell us so it can be replicated. I just ordered magnets, I'm ready to try anything.
the1redeye
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
People keep saying get an education... thats what i would say as inside the box thinking.. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little ways past the known bounds into the impossible.
guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Where is that Patrick Kelly site?
guest, dutch
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
My partner, (who is dead now), and I built one out of magnets and wood about 45 years ago. It spun so fast it threw itself apart and broke the light above the kitchen table. I know no one believes me but that's OK. We started a larger one but he died about two years ago before it got finished and is just sitting there. Our third partner, a machinist, is also too old to work on it anymore and distance and age keeps me from doing anything else on it too but I know it can be done. The one we are working on can be operated by hand and has so much power one cannot hold the shaft from turning. It is about 85% complete. This is all true.
guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Absolutely and fairly easy. Magnetic fields originate from aligned electron spins, if you read the definition of "spin" in most physics text books you get an answer something like "an inherent property of matter".
Just as gravity is an inherent force in the universe. The whole universe in in constant motion in both the macroscopic and microscopic- inherently. The simple key is to translate atomic/subatomic motion at supposed equilibrium into a system at disequilibrium, self-organized, in a constrained network, e.g. making a localized force gradient, and converting that into macroscopic, usable motion, heat... For instance, a cup of water at room temperature appears to be at equilibrium performing no work on a macroscopic scale. On an atomic scale, the water molecules are violently smashing into each other randomly with a net force of zero, this can be observed w a microscope and india ink as Brownian motion. If the energy of the trillions of water molecules smashing each other were able to be harnessed, it could be an infinite source of energy. The same with magnets, a magnet sitting there with lines of force radiating into space looks at equilibrium doing no work at a macroscopic scale. On a microscopic scale the flux field lines are a sea of turmoil that can link, bend, stretch, twist...also a potential sea of energy. The same with gravity, imagine a 5kg weight on a table, looks as if its doing nothing. In the microscopic world, the weight is being smashed together like a earth- table-weight sandwich with covalent "spin" bound electron charge repelling the objects away from each other. The object interface has a huge amount energy being transferred back and forth.

I've done "overunity" experiments that work using combined magnetic-gravitional-covalent (mechanical)-localized space-time effects.

I'll give some hints to the answer of "free energy"- think microscopically, of energy/field gradients, of systems moving through time, atomic networks, of energy transference into usable forms.

Free energy is very real (beyond wind/solar), and when the time is right we'll all be living in a more peaceful, green world. Don't lose hope because of "free energy" faker-scam artists- there are others working in secret with more engineering skill, knowledge, integrity, and self-supplied money than the public, military, or corporations are aware of.





guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Please get an education in science????? When people become zombies in the system and don't look outside what is commonly believed, there will be no new discoveries. Thinking outside the box is what makes a true inventor. If not for this thought, we would still be in caves working on a square wheel.
guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
I find it truly disturbing that so many people have such a poor understanding of the place they live in that they think that a perpetual motion magnet motor is possible.
Please get an education in science.
Exposed
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Free energy magnetic motors are more than possible, they are real.
They have to be! Otherwise, we be f**ked, with no way out of conventional energy sources.
We can not grow as a race if great technological leaps can't be made.

Evolution is required in order to exist, and technology WILL mirror that evolution.

Magnetism is the key to free energy, in lieu of other forces in nature, combined to resonate to the ZPE field. A 3 dimensional motor will grab at the quantum field much more efficient than any other type of motor.

Hamel physics are unique in that area. Many physics/ideas in the free energy realm are. I study Hamel, it satifies.

Being open to many ideas and concepts of magnetic/free energy motors will help us all in the long run....

guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
With or without the fish line, Mylow's versions of the HJ motor would work. Both the Mylow and Perendev motors operate on the run-of-the-flux principle, cleverly avoiding magnetic lock or cogging (without using magnetic shielding) by proper arrangement and orientation of the rotor and stator magnets.

I would have loved to join the apparently brewing debate on the energy source of these free energy devices but time constraint simply would not allow me as yet. Anyway, let me just give you an idea of why I've become an enthusiast and an avid researcher- my own observations on the transverse magnetic force exhibited by permanent magnets and some reflections on the Stefan-Boltzman Equation of radiation.

One thing more, Mylow's case is not a hoax and the Perendev device is a real thing.

Jun E.
guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
I just ordered magnets yesterday. I'm sure it will work using the shielding method. Soon it won't matter if NSA type organizations try to stop this, there will be just too many. It's not like stopping one lone inventor in a remote village like a few years ago. Thanks to the internet.
guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
"I assume that a large proportion of people posting here are Americans. Given the ridiculous nature of many of the comments I assume that physics is not taught as part of the high school curriculum in the US."

You are correct, science education in the US is sadly lacking. Also education in critical thinking. The US will become a third rate country.
guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
"Science says that bumble bees should not be able to fly, however, as we all know, they do!"

Science never said that...those that try to destroy science said that.
guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Surely if a motor were drawing energy from the earth's magnetic field it's drawing energy from the momentum of the core. With this in mind, if we all switched to magnetic energy,the earth's core would gradually slow down, depleting the magnetic field and leaving us exposed to solar radiation.
guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, IF A PERSON BELIEVES IT’S POSSIBLE OR IF A PERSON BELIEVES IT’S IMPOSSIBLE, EITHER WAY THEY’RE ALWAYS RIGHT.
HOWEVER, TO THE PERSON WHO IS SAYING THAT THIS CONCEPT IS IMPOSSSIBLE, AS SOON AS THEY PLANT THIS THOUGHT IN THEIR MIND, THEY AUTOMATICALLY SHUT OFF ALL OPPORTUNITY OF MAKING ANYTHING POSSIBLE.
I BELIEVE THAT NO ONE IN THIS PLANET CAN SAY SOMETHING IS IMPOSSIBLE, WE ARE MEARLY HUMAN BEINGS DISCOVERING SOMETHING NEW EVERYDAY.
HISTORY ALREADY PROVES THAT WHAT WAS SAID TO BE IMPOSSIBLE HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE POSSIBLE.
I BELIEVE THAT IF THIS IDEA IS GIVEN THE RIGHT TIME, MONEY AND PASSION, THEN THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT THIS WILL BE MADE POSSIBLE.
I HOPE THAT ONE DAY THE OPPRTUNTIY WILL BE GIVEN TO ME OR SOMEONE WHO SHARES THE SAME INSPIRATION, TO MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS ‘A PROVEN POSSIBLE’.


another guest with a brain
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
I assume that a large proportion of people posting here are Americans. Given the ridiculous nature of many of the comments I assume that physics is not taught as part of the high school curriculum in the US.
GRAMPA KEN
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Several years ago COAST TO COAST founder ART BELL -- who is a dedicated HAM RADIO OPERATOR decided to build a SUPER ANTENNA on his property out west --- So he had a contractor errect 6 very tall metal towers -- in a CIRCULAR PATTERN -- and then string electric cable around them near the top of the towers ( I think he got this idea from the very early days of radio broadcasting ) ---- What he discovered upon trying to use this SUPER ANTENNA was that it was COLLECTING AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF ELECTRICAL ENERGY FROM AN UNKNOWN SOURCE that had to BE GROUNDED for him to be able to use the antenna --- He was so AMAZED at the AMOUNT OF ENERGY involved that he even hired a HELICOPTER to fly him around those towers and view them from the air in order to try and FIGURE OUT THE SOURCE OF ALL THIS ENERGY --- WHICH WAS CONSTANT iregardless of the weather conditions -- but then ART had some major changes in his life and retired and I have heard nothing further about it --- Have any COAST FANS heard more about it ? --- and was ART possibly picking up energy from what is called the " zero point energy field " ? and YES --- I think some kind of magnetic motor is possible
guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
So why hasn't it been done already..... when did people stop using their heads :(

Quote : Current understanding of physics is limited. Science says that bumble bees should not be able to fly, however, as we all know, they do! similarly the magnet motor is possible. By mechanically oscillating the drive magnet (stator) to interact with the rotor magnets, a continual magnetic, out of balance state, can be achieved. This can be done simply with a cam and push rod setup that, as the cam lobes address the pushrod, creates an oscillating movement of the stator magnet providing thrust or attraction of the rotor magnets depending on magnetic polarity.
guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Current understanding of physics is limited. Science says that bumble bees should not be able to fly, however, as we all know, they do! similarly the magnet motor is possible. By mechanically oscillating the drive magnet (stator) to interact with the rotor magnets, a continual magnetic, out of balance state, can be achieved. This can be done simply with a cam and push rod setup that, as the cam lobes address the pushrod, creates an oscillating movement of the stator magnet providing thrust or attraction of the rotor magnets depending on magnetic polarity.
penny gruber
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
14 people so far say that someone they trust has built or seen one. 13 say they've personally built or seen one. That's 27 people in on Fire 2.0. Are they selfishly keeping Fire 2.0 to themselves? Are they out to taunt the world with this monumental discovery they refuse to share? Or are they bald face liars?

Fully half the people voting here are quite certain that an all magnet motor is possible despite industry, academia, and government all showing science that makes such a device impossible. Could one or two of these people explain a factual basis for their beliefs? I am looking for one based on verifiable evidence. I am not looking for tall tales of the men in black or big oil conspiracies.
guest with a brain
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
> Jed Clampett
06/01/2009 (16 minutes ago)
How about a wind turbine that creates it's own little tornado that is a controlled reaction that can be sustained by controlling the intake and exhaust once it is established?

That is classic pseudoscientific talk. Jed, "controlling the intake and exhaust", HOW? What do you really mean by that? Provide specifics, please.

A "controlled reaction", WHAT reaction? Controlled HOW and by WHAT?

What does "it's established" really mean? Specifics.

I will assume that you can't really answer my questions. What you wrote "sounds" good, like it has "free energy street cred", but it means nothing.

Nor do I think you could describe your little imaginary wind turbine and tornado fantasy scenario in energy terms. If you could actually use the vocabulary and concepts in describing energy in a system you would quickly realize that what you are stating makes no sense. However, as a "free energy" enthusiast, it is no problem to not be able to describe a system in energy terms because just about nobody else can either. What you can't understand they can't understand either so everybody is happy, comfortably numb in thinking your turbine-tornado idea is "cool" and may be possible. Hey! You used the proper "free energy" lingo so it must be true.
guest with a brain
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
To respond to IronShell3d:

> 1) The 4 unpaired 3d shell electrons that create the Iron atoms external magnetic field have no energy?

What do you really mean by that? What kind of energy?

To answer: The electrons orbit about the atom and generate magnetic fields. The 4 electrons you talk about are in the 3d shell, which represents an energy state and they give the atom a magnetic moment. All of this information describes the atom and the energy levels associated with the electrons. It says nothing about being able to extract energy from the atom. When you read this stuff and exchanged pseudo-scientific ideas with others that think like you, can I assume that you jumped to the incorrect conclusion that you could extract energy from these 4 electrons? If yes you are wrong.

> 2) The energy of the 4 unpaired 3d shell electrons that create the Iron atom's external field was not created and "stored" there by the sun a VERY LONG TIME AGO?

The iron was created in the core of a sun. So were all of the other heavier elements. If you are not talking about mass-conversion energy or energy from a chemical reaction between elements, then all of the various elements created by the sun are the same with respect to energy. They all contain no extractable energy at all in the way that you are thinking.

And what are you thinking? Just magnetize the iron and then by some magic you can use the energy in the four electrons that came from the sun? Every iron atom is an "bonus energy pack" like you are running around in a 3D-shooter game looking for health packs? You have a "feeling" that this must be true so it must be true? Was in in Energy from the Vacuum 17?

> 3) That it is not possible to tap into the energy of the 4 unpaired 3d shell electrons that create the Iron atoms external magnetic field?

Correct, it is not possible to tap into the energy of your famous unpaired 3d shell electrons. We are not counting mass-conversion energy or conventional endothermic chemical reaction energy.

The truth is you must prove to me why you can get energy from iron atoms. That is the real way the logic of the argument is supposed to flow and you know this. You are putting forth an argument something like this, "Iron stores magic energy from the sun. If you turn the iron into a magnet then you can get energy from the 3d electrons."

Is that close to what you are saying? If yes, the you prove to everyone that your statement is true. I don't have to prove to you that it is not true.

If you respond and you state a bunch of pseudoscience, then we are back where we started and the argument is over.
Jed Clampett
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
How about a wind turbine that creates it's own little tornado that is a controlled reaction that can be sustained by controlling the intake and exhaust once it is established?
guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Ironshell3d.....What makes an electron spin and spin faster than the speed of light!
Want to veiw electrons? There is a very simple way.
How about a steam turbine that burns no fuel and generates it's own steam?
guest
06/01/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Do any of you folks posting here even know what a magnet is?
guest
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
I know current science says it's impossible. I know current science is incomplete and may go in many different directions in the future. I know the science that was current was improved upon by "impossible" breakthroughs in some cases. I will believe it when I see it. For now, I think the only fair answer for the wise, be they educated, imaginative or both .... is MAYBE.

Jed Clampett
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
the1redeye has the right eyedia... think of what happens when an electric pulse is sent through a coil that is wrapped around a magnet. When the current travels one way, the field is concentrated and extended; when the current travels in the opposite direction, the field is weakened and contracted.
Pulsing a magnet that is on the verge of repulsive interaction can be made to act on another field for a split second to avoid the lock caused by the aforementioned 'pink' dot on Howard Johnson's imaging of the repulsive field.
A set of discs in the design of Tesla's turbine rotating on magnetic bearings should work nicely.

Test this thus... two ring magnets with a spherical bearing trapped in between them will hold some CDs to provide angular momentum and moment of inertia. Suspend the system from a cylindrical magnet that attracts the sphere at the center of the system, this will make a nice magnetic bearing. It will spin freely and easily, but if you get it going too fast the friction will burn the surface of the magnets, so watch out.
With the system suspended on this ALMOST frictionless bearing you can use another magnet to interact repulsively with the ring magnet. You'll see some movement and then it will lock up. If you move the control magnet around you can maintain the repulsion without lock. This is the key that makes the magnetic turbine possible.

Best luck to you experimenters... work for selflessly helping others and you'll be helped, work for selfish greed and you will be prevented from achieving it. To the deniers and detractors... it's much easier to denigrate or discredit something you don't know much about than it is to try to learn it and understand it... it's called intellectual laziness.
guest
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
The human race has always had people who say this or that can't be done,but we always surprise ourselves with our ingenuity. There will be an answer to free energy, as usual it always takes the form of last resort with us humans, a bit like the state of the planet. We are on the whole good and caring people, we have everything to live for on this beautiful planet and I truly believe where there is a will there's a way. Nature does not make energies for nothing, sometime's you have to think outside the box or view everything from a different angle. Never give in as it is better to try and fail than just to sit there and moan, best of luck to all and I hope someone has a happy accident which is where most inventions come from, as you may guess from my words I am a trier in free energy and hope for that happy accident, Best regards Steve
the1redeye
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
I believe a magnet motor can work.. I think the basis of understanding how to get it to work... is looking at somthing that is already made.. like an electric motor... and replicating the same concept using mechanical engineering.. It's interesting to watch all these designs run.... in comparing magnetmotors to electric motors I have never seen a real electric motor use an exotic or simple...configuration where all the coils of the rotor and stator fields are turned on and left on.. and never turned off.. then somehow the electric motor magicly starts spinning??..
I think thats what people are getting is like electric motors rotor lock.. due to all of fields being stuck on. the the missing key.. to getting this work is signal.. like a square wave.. or somthing.. the magnets are powered already.. .. now we just need signal.. to control.. them... other wise.. its just a bunch of electro magnets all stuck on..
IronShell3d
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
IronShell3d wrote:
Can the energy stored by the Sun in the 3D Iron atom shell be tapped to do useful work? Yes it can but like all energy sources, tapping it will come at a cost.

Guest with a brain wrote:
More completely ridiculous nonsense.

So guest with a brain which are you saying is nonsense:

1) The 4 unpaired 3d shell electrons that create the Iron atoms external magnetic field have no energy?

2) The energy of the 4 unpaired 3d shell electrons that create the Iron atom's external field was not created and "stored" there by the sun a VERY LONG TIME AGO?

3) That it is not possible to tap into the energy of the 4 unpaired 3d shell electrons that create the Iron atoms external magnetic field?

Please indicate which of any of the 3 above statements are nonsense and explain why they are nonsense?

IronShell3d
guest
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Guest with a brain, you are just plain stupid! A prime example of the scinetificrally brainwashed intsitutionally educated idiot.
Jed Clampett
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
The concept is possible, particularly if one takes advantage of the repulsion of magnets rather than their attraction. I believe Shauberger proved satisfactorily that nature doesn't follow the 'conservation of energy' principle, in that she makes use of free energy constantly. Tesla showed what JC Maxwell proved mathematically, that resonance is a way for objects at a distance to exchange energy and information freely. A concept proven recently in experimentation that resembles Tesla's experiments.
The trick is to follow their examples, create a system that is out of balance and has an energy flow, then tap that energy flow in a parasitic way. While I don't see a way to get free energy without some initial input, nature tends to want you to make a small investment to reap great rewards. Tesla used a few kilowatt to generate megawatts, think about that for a sec.
The key is to follow Shaubergers concept of C^2 'comprehend and copy' nature.
Guest with a bran mentions HJ's mapping of magnetic fields. Look at the picture of repulsion. See the pink dot in the blue egg shaped vortex? That's one of the keys, this is what must be kept from reaching a point of balance
electron
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
I don't know about magniwork, but i know that the video on that page you post it is quite old and the device presented there belongs to John Christie & Ludwig Brits from Lutec (http://www.lutec.com.au/index.htm).
(http://pes wiki.com/index.php/Directory:Lutec)
FM
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
If they has a strong technical advances in all fields, what is the reason to not possible? They have one big reason - suppression. Next weeks was possible I make an Open Source project with one of my systems. I not go to make claims about, for me is better others make the replications and validate the system. This is the best way to make the technology accepted by unbelievers.
guest
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Although I do not believe an all magnet motor is possible, I DO think "magnetic gradient" assisted motors are quite possible with a combination of optical timing and efficiently pulsed coils. Magnetic gradient type motors (like the sprain motor, or V-gate) would allow the differential in the magnetic gradient provide rotation upto the cogging point, allowing the pulse coil to provide the extra push for the next rotation. This implies the used of a magnetically biased solenoid where the coil 'flips' polarity to push past the cogging point. Some experimenters on youtube seem to be using this method.
If this is combined with collection of the BEMF/CEMF from the coil to recycle back into the circuit, COP could be well beyond 1. But like all experiments IT HAS TO BE REPEATABLE,NO EXCUSES. I think this is the best avenue for magnetic motor research as it may allow development of magnetic motors/generators that recharge EV indefinitely (for example).

Cheers,

maryyugo
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
There's a lesson from the Mylow fiasco. NEVER believe what people tell you if it's an unlikely or improbable or extravagant claim, such as free energy. ALWAYS require independent testing by a reliable company, university or institution BEFORE making wildly ridiculous announcements. Scams, scammers, self-deceived, and craze people are all too common. Learn to recognize them!

Sure, new energy sources are possible. But they haven't been easy to find. Be skeptical and curious but not gullible when somebody claims yet another new one -- especially if they are asking for money.
guest
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Well possible. Scientists and "learned" people once thought it impossible that the Earth revolved around the Sun. So I do not put much stock into the arrogance of either party.
If one is possible it will be developed by someone who has disregarded traditional thought.
Cloxxki
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
These people:
"I've personally built or seen one
5 Votes (3%)"

Need to speak out, or stop messing up polls with insincerity.
guest with a brain
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Like usual, the majority of the comments left here contain pseudoscientific babble that makes no sense.

> 1. it has a life-time regarding decay, that is after some time magnet strength vanishes

This notion that magnets last "400 years" or whatever is complete and total nonsense.

> Can the energy stored by the Sun in the 3D Iron atom shell be tapped to do useful work? Yes it can but like all energy sources, tapping it will come at a cost.

More completely ridiculous nonsense.

> Howard Johnson mapped the magnet fields himself and they have two vertexes of energy coming out of each pole and they converge on the center of the magent.

Complete nonsense. Fake crap with nothing to substantiate it. Just junk science fed to the masses of "believers" who happily gobble it all up like zombie pod people.

> North poles and south poles are differerent.

WRONG, more garbage crap potentially infecting the minds of young impressionable kids.

> IT IS AS POSSIBLE TO HAVE A MAGNETIC MOTOR AS IT IS TO HAVE BLUE SKY

Should be shouted as follows: IT IS AS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE A MAGNETIC MOTOR AS IT IS TO HAVE BLUE SKY

> Science should be like a candle in the dark, looking for answers, all the time.

That is EXACTLY what science is like. Science has told you that it is impossible to extract energy from magnets. Get over the fact that you can feel a spring-like force when you play with them. You CAN NOT use that magnetic force as a source of energy. If you can not understand this, then open a book, do some experiments, and try to enlighten yourself to the point where you DO understand it.

For the people that will attack this posting: DOWN WITH "FREE ENERGY" FASCISM. Stop acting like a bunch of jack-booted stormtroopers in an ideological straight-jacket and TRY TO EDUCATE YOURSELVES.
guest
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Why is it of any value to know what people contributing to this site think or believe? What is true or false does not depend upon what people think or believe.
guest
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Patrick Kelly's site shows a man from Japan who has created an all magnet motor that gives 5 kw, and has been tested by his government and passed. So yes, magnet motors are a possibility or probablility.
electron
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Yes, Mylo is a sick psycho, but that doesn't mean we should give up. Think about it, earth is a big magnet and "nonetheless, it moves". Come on, people, don't give up!
IronShell3d
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)

There is no Over Unity.

Never was. It is a bad name which creates a non useful expectation. The ability to do work / power (use energy over time) always must have a prime energy source.

What is really being sought is devices which source their ability to do external work / deliver power from unconventional (unconventional that is to the norm energy stream) prime energy sources. LENR is one example.

So I now use UED (Unconventional Energy Device) to describe such a device.

We know we can use a magnetic field to act like an energy conduit and convert the power of the prime energy source into a magnetic field and then into the ability to do work. Here the prime energy source is that which causes /drives the electron movement, which then creates the magnetic field, which enables the transfer of the prime energy source into the final load and creates the ability to do work.

You should look at a magnetic field as you would look at a pair of copper wires. Not the source of the energy but just the energy transport system.

A UED can then be seen to work by tapping the prime energy source that caused the 3D shell Iron electrons to spin. However tapping electron spin energy, will have an effect on the energy retained by the electron spin. Some suggest the electron spin energy will not be effect as it will be recharged by ZPE. I suggest that is more about hope that proof.

So there is a way for a UED to work but at a cost of the energy of the spinning electrons in the 3D shell of the Iron atom. What would happen as this spin was converted into external work? Over time the spin will reduce and the electron will drop out of the 3D shell and move inward or to another nearby atom resulting in a change in the composition of the Iron atom that lost the 3D shell electron and maybe resulting in the reduction / final loss of the external magnetic field.

No Free Lunches in UED research.

What is clear is there is energy stored in the 3D shell of the iron atom due to the unbalanced electron spins there:

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=qO8mYqgnqzkC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8 &dq=iron+subshell&source=bl&ots=FYFdCaHLqG&s ig=rjL_EYv9C9nEu0uZwZIyHw_FqLE&hl=en&ei=8_8Y Svy4DYKUkAXvsc38DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=20

It was stored there when the iron was created in the belly of our young sun just before it went Nova and then belched it out to help to form the planets.

So what causes that magnetic field of a magnet that we all like to play with? The SUN, when it created Iron.

Can the energy stored by the Sun in the 3D Iron atom shell be tapped to do useful work? Yes it can but like all energy sources, tapping it will come at a cost.

"You always need to pay the ferry man to get to the other side".

So guys there is energy stored in those 4 unpaired electrons in the 3D shell of Iron and other similar elements in that group. Don't let anyone tell you your quest to tap that energy it impossible because it is not. Just go forward with an understanding of where the energy is, how it came to be stored there and how the magnetic field created by those 4 x 3d shell electrons is acting like a energy conduit (a magnetic field is NOT an energy source) that is allowing you to tap the energy that was stored there by the Sun a VERY LONG TIME ago.

IronShell3d
guest
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)

Perhaps a more pertinent question to ask, given the lateness of the hour, so to speak, would be:

"Who will save humankind from himself?"

Personally, I know of only One who has proven qualified. And with God's own stamp of approval.


Jesus Christ!


Explore arkdiscovery dot com
guest
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
quite possible and simple to understand. But not by conventional thinking, just another point of view rarely considered.
guest
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
I do not know if magnet motors (without any kind of fuel) are possible but I reply on the unattractive aspects:
1) permanent magnets (NdFeB) loose their strength at high temperature only. Their strength decay naturally in hundreds or thousands years.
2.1/2.2) Magnets and future magnet motors can be shielded very easily (wrapped with iron sheets or films)
2.3) Magnets do not produce ELF because their magnetic fields are constant (eg. the magnetic component of AC electricity change its direction 50 times per second)
Really magnets are not very expansive (except SmCo type) and if you use new ferrite permanent magnets or new future type ferrite based, they are very cheap.
guest
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
there shouldn"t be any problem to generate energy from magnets theoretically. Other aspects makes it unattractive:
1. it has a life-time regarding decay, that is after some time magnet strength vanishes,
2. Mass use of such machinery could have limited applications because of environmental effects:
-- reciprocal effets on goods working with magnets (especially electronic control equipment such as in planes, traffic contol system, milatary goods etc)
-- impact earth's natural magnetic structure from south to north might bear catasrophic destruction risk,
-- impact on life (human, animlas, plants etc) because body neural system also works with verly low voltages and micro electricity current (that's why cell phones are protested frequebtly),
3. last but not least; the cost of magnets and also the cost of goods working with magnets. One thing more natural and artifical magnets: first one is expensive and a finite natural material (no difference than fossil fuels in this regard) and the second one has shorter life time with again some process cost.

These factors reveals very limited area of application to the magnets with less commercial chance, most likely even less than iridium tech.

Apparently, this is not the thing what human looks for as the future energy. It is unfortunate that nuclear one is the current leader regarding the above points. Hovwever there is one suggestion that giant weak, gravitation, can beat nuclear !..

It is here:
http://sites.google.com/site/EnerGravity

This tech needs assessment and test opportunity from the industry. The owner of the project(s) welcomes such connections.

mg
guest
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
please check Magnacoaster in canada they sell machine
huésped
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Everything is possible!
guest
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Most scientists don't know shit when it comes to magnets. the still thing a magnet has two poles tha flow from one end to the other. Which is the fairy tales t hey teach us in school. Howard Johnson mapped the magnet fields himself and they have two vertexes of energy coming out of each pole and they converge on the center of the magent. North poles and south poles are differerent. He figured out have to merge and combine the vortexes and also shield them using another magnet. What they teach us about magnets in school is crap designed to keep us ignorant and that is the reason few can make a magnet moter. they don't have enough true knowledge to pull it off.
guest
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
I thikn it is quite possible. I have worked on one and it seemed to work well until the circle was completed. I was going by Howard johnsons book as well. He made them as far as I can tell and I have seen photos of some that were more of a comercial design, supposedly some company in Europe is making them already.
Andre
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Scientists insist that it's impossible "because" magnetic energy, like gravitational energy, is supposed to be a conservative force. There are, however, quite some problems (and contradictions) in this model. I think that an open mind may find ways - as it always has, in the past, when science also considered something "impossible". Science should be curious, and question everything constantly - and not uphold old dogmas, as they do now. Science should be like a candle in the dark, looking for answers, all the time.
hendojohn
05/31/2009 (36 weeks ago)
I was duped by Mylow as well and thought it all sounded to easy, however it made me more determined to try something which has been on my mind for a long time. Presently I am converting my Mylow replication into a spinning device using shielding. If this won't work, I will try a Halbach array system.
guest
05/30/2009 (36 weeks ago)
i am not believing in cheap blabla talk if some one has one he should come out and show it for the people i think that we had a good lesson from the mylow hoax it's time to not believe in cheap talk DONT TALK THE TALK JUST WALK THE WALK!!!
guest
05/30/2009 (36 weeks ago)
IT IS AS POSSIBLE TO HAVE A MAGNETIC MOTOR AS IT IS TO HAVE BLUE SKY, BUT NOT EFFICIENT. EFFICIENCY IS THE MOTHER AND FATHER OF FREE ENERGY. AND ONE NEEDS TO KNOW WHERE THE ENERGY IS COMING FROM...

ROLAND VERLAQUE
Rizzo
05/30/2009 (36 weeks ago)
I believe it's possible because I've seen one. I don't understand how it worked, but was told it used platinum to switch the poles. It never produced energy (just perpetual motion). The inventor has passed away, and dismantled it before he died (of old age). Though I was much younger, and could have been fooled.
guest
05/30/2009 (36 weeks ago)
Maybe.
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